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Panos
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3/26/2008  8:50 AM
Maybe the NBA should change the rules so that only the first 50 games count towards the lottery determination. I think in the beginning of the season everybody tries to get to the playoffs. Its only once its clear that a team is not playoff bound that this travesty ensues, and ticket holders get robbed of seeing their team put forth honest effort to win.

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3/26/2008  8:53 AM
could also mean that teams start to tank earlier in the year if they know the 50 game mark.
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3/26/2008  9:30 AM
Perhaps more evenly spread odds in the lottery (less difference between #14 and #1) or perhaps make the entire lottery drafted positions (so #1 could in an extreme case wind up #14)
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3/26/2008  9:31 AM
Also it is a good idea to have lottary related to the cup instead of place.
Who spend less should get better pick that teams over the cup.
Like if NY is over the cup - f..ck them... untill they will start spending efficiently.
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3/26/2008  9:35 AM
cup? lol, salary cap you mean

like the clippers (previously cheap bastards) would immediately have better odds while a team with injuries or a bad team like, well the knicks, lesser odds

hmm, pass

The salary cap was "invented" to even the balance between big market teams and smaller market teams in a big league. Adding additional cost saving moves related to lottery odds, well, sounds like a recipe for cheap bastards to me.
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3/26/2008  10:36 AM
I just posted this in the other thread:

What they could do is change the odds so that the last place team isn't favored nearly as much. Also, they could add additional factors into how many lottery balls a team gets (e.g. a lottery ball bonus for finishing with the best record, among lottery teams, in the last month of the season -- and similarly, a penalty for worst record, among lottery teams).

But yeah, as I'm writing this I see the potential for over-complexity and confusion. Plus, if by chance, a team like this year's 50-win Western Conference non-playoff team won the lottery -- that would be crazy. So, while technically there are things Stern can do, I don't have the time to refine my ideas so that they could be a workable system. Maybe someone else does...
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3/26/2008  10:55 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Also it is a good idea to have lottary related to the cup instead of place.
Who spend less should get better pick that teams over the cup.
Like if NY is over the cup - f..ck them... untill they will start spending efficiently.

I think this idea has some merit. If you have a bunch of people that you pay as superstars, you probably don't need more of them. Unless you're just stupid -- like the Knicks.
This might be coupled with a change in the rules regarding cutting players. You should be able to cut players and have them not count against the cap.

or something
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3/26/2008  12:14 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by arkrud:

Also it is a good idea to have lottary related to the cup instead of place.
Who spend less should get better pick that teams over the cup.
Like if NY is over the cup - f..ck them... untill they will start spending efficiently.

I think this idea has some merit. If you have a bunch of people that you pay as superstars, you probably don't need more of them. Unless you're just stupid -- like the Knicks.
This might be coupled with a change in the rules regarding cutting players. You should be able to cut players and have them not count against the cap.

or something


WOW you just implied the Knicks have a collection of uneccessary superstars
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3/26/2008  12:51 PM
Posted by Panos:

Maybe the NBA should change the rules so that only the first 50 games count towards the lottery determination. I think in the beginning of the season everybody tries to get to the playoffs. Its only once its clear that a team is not playoff bound that this travesty ensues, and ticket holders get robbed of seeing their team put forth honest effort to win.

Thoughts?

Difficult solution. I think if a team is 20+ games out after 60 games they should not be punished if they are playing hard but attempting to evaluate the whole roster[who took them to this low level] What good does it do a team like The Knicks to play Zach Lee Crawford 45 minutes right now? It does nothing--the minutes need to be shared and or the majority of minutes should go to the younger players down the stretch even if they lose every game by 20. Wilson Chandler has shown some nice signs and I think no matter what guys like Balkman Morris and Collins should get close to 25-30 minutes here on in. Isiah was right on with his comments about let's see what these guys have in terms of their potential to stay with the team and earn more money. If we win by 30 tonight and Chandler scores 28 Balkman 15 points 11 rebounds etc... so be it--on top of it I think for the most part the Knicks have played hard.
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3/26/2008  1:14 PM
the worst team should atomatically get the third pick
that would make them want to win
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3/26/2008  1:27 PM
I don't think tanks should be eliminated. I think these little politenesses help reduce friction in our society. I always say 'please' and 'tank you'. That's just the way I was brought up.

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3/26/2008  1:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Panos:

Maybe the NBA should change the rules so that only the first 50 games count towards the lottery determination. I think in the beginning of the season everybody tries to get to the playoffs. Its only once its clear that a team is not playoff bound that this travesty ensues, and ticket holders get robbed of seeing their team put forth honest effort to win.

Thoughts?

Difficult solution. I think if a team is 20+ games out after 60 games they should not be punished if they are playing hard but attempting to evaluate the whole roster[who took them to this low level] What good does it do a team like The Knicks to play Zach Lee Crawford 45 minutes right now? It does nothing--the minutes need to be shared and or the majority of minutes should go to the younger players down the stretch even if they lose every game by 20. Wilson Chandler has shown some nice signs and I think no matter what guys like Balkman Morris and Collins should get close to 25-30 minutes here on in. Isiah was right on with his comments about let's see what these guys have in terms of their potential to stay with the team and earn more money. If we win by 30 tonight and Chandler scores 28 Balkman 15 points 11 rebounds etc... so be it--on top of it I think for the most part the Knicks have played hard.

Punished? He didn't mention anything about punishing teams. The Knicks are just a stupidly run team. No other organization is going to stop trying to develop their young players after game 50 in the system proposed above.
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3/26/2008  1:42 PM
Right, I just said that the end of the season is a time when people are willing to purposely throw games more since the incentive is large (draft pick) and they already know they are not making the playoffs. Instead, they should be judged while they are still playing hard.
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3/26/2008  1:54 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think tanks should be eliminated. I think these little politenesses help reduce friction in our society. I always say 'please' and 'tank you'. That's just the way I was brought up.

Tanks for listening.

a little algebra...

what's 5Q + 5Q = ?
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3/26/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think tanks should be eliminated. I think these little politenesses help reduce friction in our society. I always say 'please' and 'tank you'. That's just the way I was brought up.

Tanks for listening.

a little algebra...

what's 5Q + 5Q = ?

10Q

10Q very, very much.
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3/26/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by Panos:

Maybe the NBA should change the rules so that only the first 50 games count towards the lottery determination. I think in the beginning of the season everybody tries to get to the playoffs. Its only once its clear that a team is not playoff bound that this travesty ensues, and ticket holders get robbed of seeing their team put forth honest effort to win.

Thoughts?

I think it should stay the way it is now. Seems to work out well and rightfully, the wost teams should get a better chance at getting top picks.
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3/26/2008  2:38 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Panos:

Maybe the NBA should change the rules so that only the first 50 games count towards the lottery determination. I think in the beginning of the season everybody tries to get to the playoffs. Its only once its clear that a team is not playoff bound that this travesty ensues, and ticket holders get robbed of seeing their team put forth honest effort to win.

Thoughts?



I think it should stay the way it is now. Seems to work out well and rightfully, the wost teams should get a better chance at getting top picks.



[Edited by - enyspree on 26-03-2008 2:39 PM]
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3/26/2008  4:14 PM
give all the teams that don't make the playoffs an equal chance of winning 1 of the top 3 picks... then seed the rest accordingly based on regular season records after that... i think that's the best way to limit obvious tank jobs.
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Posted by TMS:

give all the teams that don't make the playoffs an equal chance of winning 1 of the top 3 picks... then seed the rest accordingly based on regular season records after that... i think that's the best way to limit obvious tank jobs.

Now that's a good idea. Then maybe I will get nba league pass again and stop moochin off other people.
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3/26/2008  4:32 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TMS:

give all the teams that don't make the playoffs an equal chance of winning 1 of the top 3 picks... then seed the rest accordingly based on regular season records after that... i think that's the best way to limit obvious tank jobs.

Now that's a good idea. Then maybe I will get nba league pass again and stop moochin off other people.

Who you calling obviouse?

So there will be 14 teams that don't make the playoffs and the 14th team should get just as much chance of getting the #1 as the worst teams in the league? Maybe you haven't noticed, but the Knicks' are one of the worst in the last three years now. I like our chances of getting a top two now. With that much competition, we wouldn't stand much chance.

Why anyone would defend against something like 'tanking a season' is beyond me. Take the Knicks for instance. We just plain stink! Of course I'd want this opportunity, even if it means tanking at the end. Keep it the way it is. There's a reason why the tops go to the worst.
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