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ZBo's trade value just took another hit
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NYKBocker
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3/21/2008  3:42 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_james_dolans_presence_with_knicks_could_.html
The Bucks' former GM, Larry Harris, knew his fate was sealed in February when he couldn't get the club to sign off on a trade for Knicks power forward Zach Randolph.

Thomas' credibility took another beating on Wednesday when when, in announcing the firing of Harris, Bucks owner Herb Kohl, the U.S. senator, confirmed a Daily News report from Feb. 19 that he had turned down a multiplayer deal for Randolph.

Kohl revealed that he had vetoed a trading deadline deal presented to him by Harris that would have sent Bobby Simmons, Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell to New York for Randolph and guard Fred Jones.

Last month, Thomas dismissed The News' story and the following day, The New York Times cited Knicks officials as vehemently denying that the club had tried to trade Randolph to Milwaukee. In fact, Thomas suggested that The News had been duped into reporting an inaccurate story. But on Wednesday, Kohl set the record straight.

"I don't want to impugn him, because I've never met him," Kohl said about Randolph. "Zach started out in Portland, and at the point they traded him, they really wanted to do that. He did not help them win.

"Then they traded him to New York, and within six months (the Knicks) wanted him out. ... And he had three years, plus this year, remaining on his contract, which was over $50 million.

"When it comes to decisions of that magnitude, the owner needs to be on board."


ZBo and Fred Jones for Bobby Simmons, Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell.
I don't know how I feel about that trade since I am not that familiar with Simmons but Gadzuric would have been a better compliment to Eddy and I like Bell's game.

So does this mean we are stuck with ZBo for at least another year until he raises his value up? This also means that we have a better chance of trading Curry than ZBo.

Dang! What a hole that prick Popcorn Man has dug us into. More athletic my butt! I hope you get castrated and feel our pain for a long time!

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3/21/2008  3:55 PM
'zach the fake attack' is sitting tonight. It's Randolph Morris's big chance to show what he has. It's about damn time!
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3/21/2008  4:07 PM
LOL and we had fans like iyamwutiam trying to tell us it was the other way around.
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3/21/2008  6:25 PM
wow. i don't think anyone in the league would trade for zach at this point...

unless Cleveland gets bounced early in the playoffs and they REALLY want someone to score down low for Lebron. actually, maybe Chicago, being in need of serious low post scoring. I guess there's some market, but I can't see too many teams jumping at this chemistry killer. astoundingly, zach destroyed what little chemistry we had going last year. everyone around the league knows this. no one wants him. he's puts up the emptiest stats in the league.
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3/21/2008  7:24 PM
We were so close to getting rid of Bitty and Zach!
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3/22/2008  2:34 AM
chemistry? who are our 3 captains? Jamal, Marbs and Curry if i am not mistaken. correct me if i am wrong but any team that has Marbs, and to a much lesser extent Curry, can pretty much forget about any resemblance to chemistry. Not that Zbo is a chemistry guy of anything like that but what did zbo change while playing? Took time and shots from Curry- yeah he did. Is our team and our game plan really affected by zbo? i don't think he changed anything on this team with his presence except Curry's "stellar" last season did not repeat itself this year, thats pretty much it.
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3/22/2008  4:54 PM
he added about $60 million dollars to our cap, took minutes away from both Curry & D Lee, & pretty much blew up any semblence of a chance we ever had to go after any bigname FA's in 2010... but his acquisition did a few positive things, which was net us more losses, more team disfunction & more embarassments this season (who knew that was even a possibility) & a realistic chance to nab 1 of the top prospects in the draft lottery along w/Dolan finally waking up to reality & thinking about firing Isiah, so there's the huge silver lining.

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3/22/2008  8:30 PM
It would be funny if we had to cut/buy him out at the end of next year s the only way to get rid of him.

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3/22/2008  8:35 PM
We need about 8 Allan Houston rule redos.
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3/22/2008  8:36 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

chemistry? who are our 3 captains? Jamal, Marbs and Curry if i am not mistaken. correct me if i am wrong but any team that has Marbs, and to a much lesser extent Curry, can pretty much forget about any resemblance to chemistry. Not that Zbo is a chemistry guy of anything like that but what did zbo change while playing? Took time and shots from Curry- yeah he did. Is our team and our game plan really affected by zbo? i don't think he changed anything on this team with his presence except Curry's "stellar" last season did not repeat itself this year, thats pretty much it.


he destroyed curry's trade value, bit into lee's playing time, disrupts the offense by dribbling more than marbury does, rarely passes, rarely defends, pouts, throws water at teammates... i'm sorry, what was the question?
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3/22/2008  9:57 PM
Currys trade value was artificially inflated by us giving him the ball all last year. Any change in the game plan would have destroyed his value(other than bringing a real PG in which is easier said than done)anyway curry is a lamer, Zbo did not make him any less or any more of a lamer. Taking minutes from DLee? how about not playing Rose and jeffries ? thats would have solved that issue for the most part. As far as rarely passing and overdribbling and stuff - let me ask you this: Does our team have a system which would allow him to not be a "black hole" on the offence?
He is skilled enough to be a part of a good team, obviously his d gotta improve, but when you are on the knicks all your shortcommings and minuses will be significantly magnified , besides, the things he does with his headband, he likes to show his emotions so the water throwing is just a part of that. Just like most of our guys(not jeffries or malik or qbrick), on a real team Zbo could be a force to behold, feeding off of other guys energy, contributing to the team chemistry.
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3/23/2008  12:59 AM
He should not be traded at this point. Acquiring him was not right for the current roster and team needs at the time but he is a tremendous talent. He should be given the opportunity to be evalauted by a new gm and coach. He may not be the right guy but he is a tremendous talent and asset that should not be given away.
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3/23/2008  3:40 AM
any contract w/less years remaining on it is a yes for me... Zach's a skilled player but he does nothing to address any of our current roster needs... the cap space should take precedence over his talent IMHO, especially because of the possibilities it could potentially open up in the 2010 free agent market, a year when we won't have our 1st round draft pick to improve the roster with.
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3/23/2008  4:05 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He should not be traded at this point. Acquiring him was not right for the current roster and team needs at the time but he is a tremendous talent. He should be given the opportunity to be evalauted by a new gm and coach. He may not be the right guy but he is a tremendous talent and asset that should not be given away.

Yeah sure ok right. I'm sorry but the Portland Trailblazers recently paid 30 million dollars to rid themselves of this "tremendous talent." And 6 months later the Grand Putz Isiah wanted to ship him off more garbage. Now if this clown was such a "tremendous talent," how come Portland couldn't do better than paying off Francis' contract and getting Channing Frye? And how come we couldn't do better than forcing more garbage onto our roster which would have taken up MORE roster spots for MORE crappy players???

Zach Randolph MUST be bought out. Just give him 36 million dollars and send him on his merry way. Nobody is giving us contracts of 2 years and less for this loser. At least with Curry and Crawful we can pretty much get those shorter contracts. And package Lee with Jeffries to rid ourselves of that contract.

We can afford 1 large buyout (Zach) and still be far enough under the cap in 2010 to make a run at Lebron provided we don't give out ridiculous contracts to Lee and Nate. But we must also rid ourselves of Crawful, Curry and Jeffries.

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3/23/2008  4:16 AM
I don't know about bought out. That's a bit drastic. There could some sap that could take a gamble on him. I mean, he still puts up 20/10, even if it is meaningless stats. Hey, maybe Isiah will work for another team again (lol). I'd hold on to him. It's not like his contract will not count against the cap if we buy him out anyway.
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3/23/2008  6:16 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't know about bought out. That's a bit drastic. There could some sap that could take a gamble on him. I mean, he still puts up 20/10, even if it is meaningless stats. Hey, maybe Isiah will work for another team again (lol). I'd hold on to him. It's not like his contract will not count against the cap if we buy him out anyway.

Well if we can trade him for contracts 2 years and less THIS SUMMER then you make that deal. What team in the NBA would want Zach Randolph and that contract? I can't think of one team who would trade for him. The only team at this point MIGHT be Denver because they are desperate to rid themselves of K-Mart. But why even bother? He's just as bad Zach, he's a cripple and has the same crappy contract which we would end up buying out anyway. Plus it takes up a valuable roster spot which we could give to a hardworking youngin.

Other than that, I want no part of Zach Randolph in a Knick uniform after this miserable season ends. We need to start fresh and immediately clear out the malcontents and non-defense playing selfish a-holes from this roster. Just like Portland did and just like what we need to do. No sense in delaying the inevitable, we either deal with the Zach problem now and make it disappear, or we trade him for an equal problem which we will end up dealing with down the road.

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3/23/2008  6:39 AM
You have to buyout Zach. No team will take him but he will interfere with rebuilding.
ZBo's trade value just took another hit

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