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3/9/2008  9:33 AM
As Nate showed last night, he is an adept shooter when given the green light.
Q has been miscast as a SF all season long... his natural position is off-guard... he is a solid backup SG.

Crawford can be a great additional piece for a playoff team, but may be a luxury for a lottery squad...
League Execs are pretty high on Crawford right now... What can we get in terms of prospects or picks?
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3/9/2008  11:00 AM
I think Nate can be a solid core piece--a 6th man type who can also spot start and play in starting 3 guard alignments. I don't think that we can rely on Nate full time at SG. He's agood player who is getting better but in a team game his role should be what I described above.
That is why Isiah Thomas has to go. When you get to spend 500+mm$ on players--you're going to have some talent. But his voice and actions have failed--I think even he would agree a new voice is a must for the team--well he might not admit it:) All this prognostication of who we are picking is really just talk. We have to see where we are after the draft lottery and I think players positioning in the draft is still wide open. There is little chance we can end the year worse than position 6 BUT it's important in terms of draft history to stay in that 5 slot or better. We have to stay worse than the Clippers and you know they know how to tank. The only team I believe we could pass is Seattle but that would take Cawford Curry Randolph STAYING out for the rest of the year.
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3/9/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think Nate can be a solid core piece--a 6th man type who can also spot start and play in starting 3 guard alignments. I don't think that we can rely on Nate full time at SG. He's agood player who is getting better but in a team game his role should be what I described above.
That is why Isiah Thomas has to go. When you get to spend 500+mm$ on players--you're going to have some talent. But his voice and actions have failed--I think even he would agree a new voice is a must for the team--well he might not admit it:) All this prognostication of who we are picking is really just talk. We have to see where we are after the draft lottery and I think players positioning in the draft is still wide open. There is little chance we can end the year worse than position 6 BUT it's important in terms of draft history to stay in that 5 slot or better. We have to stay worse than the Clippers and you know they know how to tank. The only team I believe we could pass is Seattle but that would take Cawford Curry Randolph STAYING out for the rest of the year.

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3/9/2008  11:26 AM
Crawford to Seattle for Chris Wilcox, a pick and some filler?
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3/9/2008  11:53 AM
League Execs are pretty high on Crawford right now
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3/9/2008  11:53 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think Nate can be a solid core piece--a 6th man type who can also spot start and play in starting 3 guard alignments. I don't think that we can rely on Nate full time at SG. He's agood player who is getting better but in a team game his role should be what I described above.
That is why Isiah Thomas has to go. When you get to spend 500+mm$ on players--you're going to have some talent. But his voice and actions have failed--I think even he would agree a new voice is a must for the team--well he might not admit it:) All this prognostication of who we are picking is really just talk. We have to see where we are after the draft lottery and I think players positioning in the draft is still wide open. There is little chance we can end the year worse than position 6 BUT it's important in terms of draft history to stay in that 5 slot or better. We have to stay worse than the Clippers and you know they know how to tank. The only team I believe we could pass is Seattle but that would take Cawford Curry Randolph STAYING out for the rest of the year.

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3/9/2008  7:48 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Crawford to Seattle for Chris Wilcox, a pick and some filler?

that's a deal that would really help us, but i don't see us getting that pick from SEA cuz they're slated to be pretty high up in the lottery this year... if u could pull that one off it'd be a great move obviously, both cap wise & roster wise.
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3/9/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by colorfl1:

As Nate showed last night, he is an adept shooter when given the green light.
Q has been miscast as a SF all season long... his natural position is off-guard... he is a solid backup SG.

Crawford can be a great additional piece for a playoff team, but may be a luxury for a lottery squad...
League Execs are pretty high on Crawford right now... What can we get in terms of prospects or picks?


I hate to say it because I have defended the idea of Q being a two in the past, but I tend to agree with those who disagreed with me and said he was too slow to be a 2. He is just too fat and slow to be a 2 guard at this point.
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3/9/2008  8:01 PM
I do tend to think that now that jamal is averaging over 20 a game his value has gone up. I am not sure how high his value has gone up though. I hope it went through the roof, but I am being a total homer on this one. I am fairly certain, which is a point I rarely come too, that jamal is simply a great player for a very, very bad team in the nba. He will lead you in scoring and he will dish out assists, but the guy does not win games. I hope a small market team is willing to pay for his sometimes impressive moves, and very, very poor winning percentage.
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3/9/2008  8:34 PM
there is no such thing as a "winning" or "losing" player in the NBA... it takes a team to win games, no 1 single player's gonna determine that unless your just so completely dominant that the entire offense is run through you & everyone else gets out of the way... the only guy i can think of that fits that description is Wilt... not even Michael won all by his lonesome.

put Jamal on a team where he's not the #1 scoring option playing alongside a true franchise calibre talent & he can be very effective if u ask me... he can also help teams win... i have no doubt he'd be an upgrade for at least a few contending teams in the league right now.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-09-2008 5:35 PM]
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3/9/2008  8:41 PM
I really don't think the Knicks will trade Lee or Jamal at any point. The people that I think that will be gone this off season are Curry, and Marbury.
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3/9/2008  8:44 PM
Posted by BigC:

I really don't think the Knicks will trade Lee or Jamal at any point. The people that I think that will be gone this off season are Curry, and Marbury.

i think so too... i think if Isiah is allowed to keep his job (why i haven't the faintest clue), then he'll want to hold onto Jamal, Lee, Nate, Balk & Chandler & try to unload anyone else off the roster for whatever other bloated contract he can get his hands on.
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3/9/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by Cash:

I do tend to think that now that jamal is averaging over 20 a game his value has gone up. I am not sure how high his value has gone up though. I hope it went through the roof, but I am being a total homer on this one. I am fairly certain, which is a point I rarely come too, that jamal is simply a great player for a very, very bad team in the nba. He will lead you in scoring and he will dish out assists, but the guy does not win games. I hope a small market team is willing to pay for his sometimes impressive moves, and very, very poor winning percentage.

No one's value has gone up this year on this team. GMs don't find big stats on bad teams impressive. They know Jamal is the same player he's always been. The reasons we want to trade him are the same reasons they don't want him.
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3/9/2008  9:02 PM
Posted by TMS:

there is no such thing as a "winning" or "losing" player in the NBA... it takes a team to win games, no 1 single player's gonna determine that unless your just so completely dominant that the entire offense is run through you & everyone else gets out of the way... the only guy i can think of that fits that description is Wilt... not even Michael won all by his lonesome.

put Jamal on a team where he's not the #1 scoring option playing alongside a true franchise calibre talent & he can be very effective if u ask me... he can also help teams win... i have no doubt he'd be an upgrade for at least a few contending teams in the league right now.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-09-2008 5:35 PM]


I disagree. I think that there are a lot of intangibles a player can bring to a team in order to help them win. Crawford doesn't bring any intangibles like hustling, getting rebounds, defense, etc. The guy just scores a lot(and he is good at it). Crawford can put up a shot from any point on the floor and it might go in, but it is never a high percentage shot.) He also needs the ball to be effective, and he is not good at setting up other players considering the amount of time he has the ball. Did I mention how his defense stinks??
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cash:

I do tend to think that now that jamal is averaging over 20 a game his value has gone up. I am not sure how high his value has gone up though. I hope it went through the roof, but I am being a total homer on this one. I am fairly certain, which is a point I rarely come too, that jamal is simply a great player for a very, very bad team in the nba. He will lead you in scoring and he will dish out assists, but the guy does not win games. I hope a small market team is willing to pay for his sometimes impressive moves, and very, very poor winning percentage.

No one's value has gone up this year on this team. GMs don't find big stats on bad teams impressive. They know Jamal is the same player he's always been. The reasons we want to trade him are the same reasons they don't want him.

Naw, I think a small market team might have an interest in jamal. He is an exciting player whose cross-overs can put people in the seats. Certainly, the past has shown us that he won't be bringing any wins to the table.
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3/9/2008  9:22 PM
Posted by Cash:
Posted by TMS:

there is no such thing as a "winning" or "losing" player in the NBA... it takes a team to win games, no 1 single player's gonna determine that unless your just so completely dominant that the entire offense is run through you & everyone else gets out of the way... the only guy i can think of that fits that description is Wilt... not even Michael won all by his lonesome.

put Jamal on a team where he's not the #1 scoring option playing alongside a true franchise calibre talent & he can be very effective if u ask me... he can also help teams win... i have no doubt he'd be an upgrade for at least a few contending teams in the league right now.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-09-2008 5:35 PM]


I disagree. I think that there are a lot of intangibles a player can bring to a team in order to help them win. Crawford doesn't bring any intangibles like hustling, getting rebounds, defense, etc. The guy just scores a lot(and he is good at it). Crawford can put up a shot from any point on the floor and it might go in, but it is never a high percentage shot.) He also needs the ball to be effective, and he is not good at setting up other players considering the amount of time he has the ball. Did I mention how his defense stinks??

scoring is a factor of the game that every team could use... it's all about balance... if u got the right players in place, u can utilize a talent like Jamal effectively... hell, you don't necessarily need defensive players to win either... look at the run & gun teams in the league like the Suns & Warriors, they win games by simply outscoring the opponents... i can easily see Jamal playing well in a system like that... or if u got a very good defensive team then u can use Jamal's scoring to upgrade your offensive weakness... a team like the Jazz would very much use a player like Jamal if you ask me, because he wouldn't be the one dominating the ball, it would be Deron... & Sloan is a terrific coach & from what i've seen, Jamal is receptive to being coached... he played well under LB & was much more in control of his game... i don't see why that would change playing under a guy like Sloan who's probably even more of a disciplinarian than LB is.
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3/9/2008  9:54 PM
Posted by Cash:
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I do tend to think that now that jamal is averaging over 20 a game his value has gone up. I am not sure how high his value has gone up though. I hope it went through the roof, but I am being a total homer on this one. I am fairly certain, which is a point I rarely come too, that jamal is simply a great player for a very, very bad team in the nba. He will lead you in scoring and he will dish out assists, but the guy does not win games. I hope a small market team is willing to pay for his sometimes impressive moves, and very, very poor winning percentage.

No one's value has gone up this year on this team. GMs don't find big stats on bad teams impressive. They know Jamal is the same player he's always been. The reasons we want to trade him are the same reasons they don't want him.

Naw, I think a small market team might have an interest in jamal. He is an exciting player whose cross-overs can put people in the seats. Certainly, the past has shown us that he won't be bringing any wins to the table.

If we know that, other GMs know that. Jamal's crossover dribbles won't put enough people in the seats to cover his $10 mil annual salary.
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3/9/2008  9:57 PM
players like Antoine Walker got bigger contracts than Jamal in the past... there are teams out there that covet players that can score in this game whether they play any D or not.
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3/9/2008  10:02 PM
Posted by TMS:

players like Antoine Walker got bigger contracts than Jamal in the past... there are teams out there that covet players that can score in this game whether they play any D or not.

Walker had much more success in the NBA than Crawford. That said, I don't think he got any big contracts by his eighth season (Craw's next year). Teams figured him out and stayed away from him by then.
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