we can't watch the whole game
you posted the 4th on evey site
can't you just bless ultimateknicks.com with the game

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Cosmic:

Well, it was a close game, the kids were playing, so as promised to some... I capped the 4thQ for those that wanted to see....

knicks hornets 4th quarter



As a side note, Isiah is an idiot putting Curry back in... Taking Nate out (crowd booed his ass big time for doing that)... and you can lay this loss on those stupid decisions, and, Crawful...well...being Crawful for the duration.

This was a winnable game. No two ways about that. Unfortunately boneheaded coaching decisions, and boneheaded Crawful decisions.....led to this loss more than anything. Hornets, for whatever reason, were prime for the picking - yet - being the bad team we are - we made enough mistakes to lose the game. SMH

Fans on RealGM are trying to give Jamal free passes down the stretch and his decision making was equally bad as Nate. They're blaming everything on Nate. And what a coincidence it follows I SAY UGH'S actions. We still have I SAY UGH disciples and Crawful Nutguggers. I can't wait to see the day Jamal's not a Knick anymore. I'm tired of him factoring into our success as a team which is essentially never



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-03-2008 9:36 PM]

4:13
[NYK 86-88] Crawford Jump Shot: Made (18 PTS)
Assist: Jeffries (3 AST)
West Jump Shot: Missed 3:50
Chandler Tip Shot: Made (13 PTS) 3:48
[NOH 90-86]
Chandler Rebound (Off:4 Def:12) 3:48
Peterson Foul:Shooting (4 PF) 3:33
3:33
[NYK 87-90] Crawford Free Throw 1 of 2 (19 PTS)
3:33
[NYK 88-90] Crawford Free Throw 2 of 2 (20 PTS) 3:22 Lee Foul:Shooting (3 PF)
West Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 3:22
Team Rebound 3:22
West Free Throw 2 of 2 missed 3:22
3:21 Lee Rebound (Off:3 Def:12)
2:59 Crawford 3pt Shot: Missed
Chandler Rebound (Off:4 Def:13) 2:57
Peterson Jump Shot: Missed 2:51
2:49 Lee Rebound (Off:3 Def:13)
2:25 Robinson Jump Shot: Missed West Rebound (Off:5 Def:3) 2:24
Stojakovic 3pt Shot: Missed 2:06
2:05 Robinson Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
1:56 Robinson Layup Shot: Missed Paul Rebound (Off:0 Def:4) 1:55
Paul Layup Shot: Made (24 PTS) 1:46
[NOH 92-88]


that is the game log. the knicks were withing two points when jamal missed that three, but they had two other posessions and nate took a bad jumper and again, still down two, he got the ball, and forced a layup, he didn't run any kind of offensive, no pick, no ball moveent, and nate was playing the Point.. Nate did a poor job getting the team into the offense.. plain and simple man... stop with the realgm bashing, the jamal bashing and complaining... the proof is right there in front of you. But hey, we know nate is no more than a back up guard off the bench, 15-20 mpg depending on how well he is playing. we need a real PG...

Let's be a little more objective here

5:56 85-84 Jamal Crawford misses 4-foot jumper
5:54 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound 85-84
5:50 New Orleans full timeout
5:50 Chris Paul enters the game for Jannero Pargo 85-84
5:50 Peja Stojakovic enters the game for Ryan Bowen 85-84
5:13 85-84 Randolph Morris misses 13-foot jumper
5:11 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound 85-84
5:37 David West offensive foul (Malik Rose draws the foul) 85-84
4:48 Mike James misses 27-foot three point jumper 85-84
4:41 David West misses tip shot 85-84
4:41 David West offensive rebound 85-84
4:39 85-84 Jamal Crawford defensive rebound
5:37 David West turnover 85-84
4:37 85-84 Jamal Crawford misses 16-foot jumper
4:35 85-84 Jamal Crawford offensive rebound
4:33 85-84 Jamal Crawford misses layup
4:33 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound 85-84
4:24 Peja Stojakovic makes 27-foot three point jumper 88-84
4:20 New York full timeout
4:20 88-84 David Lee enters the game for Malik Rose
4:20 88-84 Eddy Curry enters the game for Wilson Chandler
4:20 88-84 Nate Robinson enters the game for Randolph Morris
4:20 Morris Peterson enters the game for Mike James 88-84
4:13 88-86 Jamal Crawford makes 18-foot jumper (Jared Jeffries assists)
3:49 David West misses jumper 88-86
3:47 Tyson Chandler makes tip shot 90-86
3:47 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound 90-86
3:32 Morris Peterson shooting foul (Jamal Crawford draws the foul) 90-86
3:32 90-87 Jamal Crawford makes free throw 1 of 2
3:32 90-88 Jamal Crawford makes free throw 2 of 2
3:21 90-88 David Lee shooting foul (David West draws the foul)
3:21 David West misses free throw 1 of 2 90-88
3:21 New Orleans offensive rebound 90-88
3:21 David West misses free throw 2 of 2 90-88
3:20 90-88 David Lee defensive rebound
2:59 90-88 Jamal Crawford misses 26-foot three point jumper
2:57 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound 90-88
2:50 Morris Peterson misses jumper 90-88
2:48 90-88 David Lee defensive rebound
2:25 90-88 Nate Robinson misses 17-foot jumper
2:24 David West defensive rebound 90-88
2:05 Peja Stojakovic misses 25-foot three point jumper 90-88
2:04 90-88 Nate Robinson defensive rebound
1:55 90-88 Nate Robinson misses layup
1:54 Chris Paul defensive rebound 90-88
1:46 Chris Paul makes layup 92-88
1:32 David West personal foul (Jamal Crawford draws the foul) 92-88
1:32 92-88 Wilson Chandler enters the game for Nate Robinson

Basically what we have here is one player(Nate) getting punished because his mistakes were a bit more magnified with less time left but the other player(Jamal) getting a free pass and never being taken out of the game not even for a minute from his bone headed chucking which contributed to the Hornets maintaining their lead. Notice when Nate came in we were down 4pts and when Nate got yanked we were down 4pts.

When will we chastise Jamal for what he is and what he does?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-03-2008 11:22 PM]

what punishmeny we are tanking thats all
that was a good move
you want him to win games now

i could be a pr guy huh?

Posted by tkf:

True blue: why not go back to the first half, my point was when the game was in the balance, not with 6 minutes left, but when we had the chance to tie the game 3 times. Nate made some bad decisions. Hell I could go back to the second quarter and find a bunch of missed shots. I don't get the point of you highlighting jamal's misses with 6 minutes left in the game... LOL..

I knew that's how you would look at things but IMO with less than 6min to go with Crawford making boneheaded plays he deserved to sit if for nothing else a couple possessions considering the game was still very winnable. If I SAY UGH subs in Nate for him and tells Nate to get control of the game and then puts Jamal back in maybe he kills two birds of bad play or potentially bad play with 1 stone of good coaching. When he put Nate in Jamal was already working our team into a Frenzy. I didn't go back that far. You went back to a little over the 4:00min mark and I went back to under the 6:00min mark. All of Jamal's errors were under the 6:00min mark. There's a 1:30min between our Game Logs you're over dramatizing. Even Breen and Clyde made comments about Jamal's play down the stretch.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 10:58 AM]

That clip was all anybody needed to see.....the Knicks are terrible but they are also terribly coached.

When Nate was taken out did anyone seriously think that was the correct thing to do? That was stupid....the Knicks needed a timeout then to get everyone on the same page. the game was still close. The Knicks should have won that game last night. Oh well.

Side note: the rookies.....

Chandler is a smart player. There was a play in that clip where the Knicks were swinging the ball inside and out. It touched everyones hands really fast where Chandler was wide open @ the three.......he didn't just chuck a three.....he caught the ball and moved in closer and shot the mid-range. WHEN DO YOU EVER SEE THAT IN BASKETBALL ANYWHERE??? I'm sold on him. He handled the break a little and he shows poise and strength inside. I see a starter in that guy. He needs to play everyday.

Morris? Yo, He has real man moves inside. He showed a hook shot, and a turn around jumper. He also has a nice solid move to the baseline. All of this he uses his strength and big body to provide space. He places his body on his man.....Isiah has made a serious mistake not playing this kid. I mean he is gone after this season. He too may become someones starting center.

Like Lee, Nate, and Balkman.....Chandler and Morris are not afraid.....geezus man I hope these two guys remain knicks.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

True blue: why not go back to the first half, my point was when the game was in the balance, not with 6 minutes left, but when we had the chance to tie the game 3 times. Nate made some bad decisions. Hell I could go back to the second quarter and find a bunch of missed shots. I don't get the point of you highlighting jamal's misses with 6 minutes left in the game... LOL..

I knew that's how you would look at things but IMO with less than 6min to go with Crawford making boneheaded plays he deserved to sit if for nothing else a couple possessions considering the game was still very winnable. If I SAY UGH subs in Nate for him and tells Nate to get control of the game and then puts Jamal back in maybe he kills two birds of bad play or potentially bad play with 1 stone of good coaching. When he put Nate in Jamal was already working our team into a Frenzy. I didn't go back that far. You went back to a little over the 4:00min mark and I went back to under the 6:00min mark. All of Jamal's errors were under the 6:00min mark. There's a 1:30min between our Game Logs you're over dramatizing. Even Breen and Clyde made comments about Jamal's play down the stretch.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 10:58 AM]

dude, there were 3 posessions in which the knicks had a chance to tie the game.. Nate made some horrible decisions within that time frame, after the last miss, which nate forced a layup, the Hornets scored and never looked back.... that was the game.. whatever else you are talking about is irrelevant to this time and period I am referring to... these are the three plays that killed the game..

jamal ran off of 3 screens and ran 3 curls, nate could not or would not give him the ball. It resulted as usual jamal getting the ball with the clock winding down and having to force a 3/

Next opportunity to tie, nate forced and missed a jumper..

The last opportunity to tie, nate came down, didn't run a play and forced the ball to the hoop and missed...

after that, the game was over.....

now all that other stuff you said, had no bearing on these plauys. we had a chance to tie and it was mishandled on 3 occasions with nate directly involved.. I like nate, but it is, whatit is man..

TKF when Nate came in we were down 4 and when he left we were down 4 with practically 2min to go, the game was not over. I SAY UGH should have called a time-out like I mentioned in the game thread and dropped some bombs on Nate and then send the crew back in. What I don't think was fair is him making an example of Nate when just a few minutes earlier Jamal made similar bone headed plays. Actually when you think about it, I SAY UGH had more time to send a message to his team when Jamal was farting around than to make a Knee Jerk reaction to Nate's play. It's a prime example how he has no control over this team and the fact they don't respect him. You can't get mad at one player Chucking and Diving and not the other player no matter what the clock says and Jamal was doing the same with the game on the line.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 12:59 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

True blue: why not go back to the first half, my point was when the game was in the balance, not with 6 minutes left, but when we had the chance to tie the game 3 times. Nate made some bad decisions. Hell I could go back to the second quarter and find a bunch of missed shots. I don't get the point of you highlighting jamal's misses with 6 minutes left in the game... LOL..

I knew that's how you would look at things but IMO with less than 6min to go with Crawford making boneheaded plays he deserved to sit if for nothing else a couple possessions considering the game was still very winnable. If I SAY UGH subs in Nate for him and tells Nate to get control of the game and then puts Jamal back in maybe he kills two birds of bad play or potentially bad play with 1 stone of good coaching. When he put Nate in Jamal was already working our team into a Frenzy. I didn't go back that far. You went back to a little over the 4:00min mark and I went back to under the 6:00min mark. All of Jamal's errors were under the 6:00min mark. There's a 1:30min between our Game Logs you're over dramatizing. Even Breen and Clyde made comments about Jamal's play down the stretch.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 10:58 AM]

dude, there were 3 posessions in which the knicks had a chance to tie the game.. Nate made some horrible decisions within that time frame, after the last miss, which nate forced a layup, the Hornets scored and never looked back.... that was the game.. whatever else you are talking about is irrelevant to this time and period I am referring to... these are the three plays that killed the game..

jamal ran off of 3 screens and ran 3 curls, nate could not or would not give him the ball. It resulted as usual jamal getting the ball with the clock winding down and having to force a 3/

Next opportunity to tie, nate forced and missed a jumper..

The last opportunity to tie, nate came down, didn't run a play and forced the ball to the hoop and missed...

after that, the game was over.....

now all that other stuff you said, had no bearing on these plauys. we had a chance to tie and it was mishandled on 3 occasions with nate directly involved.. I like nate, but it is, whatit is man..

TKF when Nate came in we were down 4 and when he left we were down 4 with practically 2min to go, the game was not over. I SAY UGH should have called a time-out like I mentioned in the game thread and dropped some bombs on Nate and then send the crew back in. What I don't think was fair is him making an example of Nate when just a few minutes earlier Jamal made similar bone headed plays. Actually when you think about it, I SAY UGH had more time to send a message to his team when Jamal was farting around than to make a Knee Jerk reaction to Nate's play. It's a prime example how he has no control over this team and the fact they don't respect him. You can't get mad at one player Chucking and Diving and not the other player no matter what the clock says and Jamal was doing the same with the game on the line.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 12:59 PM]

I am not trying to scapegoat nate, he didn't do well, but if you look at what I said. Isiah is the one who has these guys in positions that they don't excell in. Nate and craw are not PG's.. But I agree, Isiah scapegoated nate and should not have... Jamal was culpable to some degree, but I was just referring to that series of events that I mentioned.. It was a crucial point in the game, and nate shoot first instincts took over and buried us, but he was not alone, that is true..

I totally agree if you Vacuum the moment in which he was taken out oh yeah no doubt. I felt and saw it coming anyway but when Nate walked to the bench and had words and flexed on him, I starting deciphering why.


I SAY UGH.... BLOWS CHUNKS!