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3/2/2008  12:23 AM
I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.
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3/2/2008  12:36 AM
Gordon is a Top 5 pick Bar None. We better not pass on such player if he's on the board when we pick.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-01-2008 11:37 PM]
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3/2/2008  12:41 AM
I saw Kosta play versus my sh!tty Columbia team and he looked like a stiff. Had good stats in that game just cause he was a half a foot taller than our C.
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3/2/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by metra:

I saw Kosta play versus my sh!tty Columbia team and he looked like a stiff. Had good stats in that game just cause he was a half a foot taller than our C.


NOO way is he a stiff in anyway. He has ball handling skills like a guard @ 7-1 among other advanced skill sets. He's an unsual player because of his size.
The only guy I question on my list is Jordan because he is light years behind these two C skill wise but IF he works trains and plays with intensity--tooooo much upside to ignore. He would need to be Bynum for a year or two but the final product is what Im looking at in terms of potential. He also can play now and perhaps surprise in up tempo.
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3/2/2008  1:45 AM
My top 10:

1. Derrick Rose (a true point that is fast and huge)
2. Michael Beasley (I have a mancrush on Rose)
3. Jerryd Bayless (shoot first point)
4. OJ Mayo (Edited him back here after Klytus' post)
5. Eric Gordon (small shooting guard)
6. Tyler Smith (he's under-the-radar, but very good... almost put him at four)
7. DJ Augustin (led the nation in assists last year as a freshman, great this year too)
8. Brook Lopez (what you see is what you get)
9. DeAndre Jordan (what you don't see *maybe* you'll get)
10.Hasheem Thabeet (great game followed by a train of stinkers)

(I think Chase Budinger and Blake Griffin are not likely to declare this year. I also have not seen Nicolas Batum and Danilo Ganillari play, so it would be unfair to me to comment, except that I've seen Batum's name on the mocks last year. Typically, if a guy comes on board late he gets overvalued and the next year he falls. Well, Batum seems to climb.)

(edit: ) Klytus, you're right. When I wrote this is was late and I actually looked at Gordon's percentages, not Mayo's! Whoops. Anyway, I've been on Mayo's side for a while (if you look back at previous posts) but for whatever reason I wasn't feeling him last night.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 03-02-2008 12:33 PM]
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3/2/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

To round off a top 10
7 OJ Mayo
8 Roy Hibbert
9 Eric Gordon
10 Chris Douglas Roberts
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

To round off a top 10
7 OJ Mayo
8 Roy Hibbert
9 Eric Gordon
10 Chris Douglas Roberts

Briggs. Thabeet is conspicuously off your list.
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3/2/2008  11:44 AM
I am afraid of Gordon. Combo guard.
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3/2/2008  11:44 AM
1. Mike Beasley - His attitude annoys me but he's too talented not to take first overall.
2. Jerryd Bayless - Chauncey Billups Ver. 2?
3. Derrick Rose - Leader and defense at PG the next 10 years.
4. O.J. Mayo - I like him the more I watch him. He's NOT a PG but will be a 20 ppg SG with good D.
5. D.J. Augustine - Same as Rose but 4 inches shorter.
6. Eric Gordon - I like his game and how he attacks the rim and has a sweet jumper but his height (he looks like Mark Jackson running around) bothers me.

I don't have any interest in DeAndre Jordan. I've seen him play 3 times and I don't see what the big deal is. He looks like a stiff to me.

[Edited by - klytus on 03-02-2008 11:47 AM]

[Edited by - klytus on 03-02-2008 11:48 AM]
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Posted by joec32033:

I am afraid of Gordon. Combo guard.

BRIGGS or anyone, what is Eric Gordon's real height? Same sites say 6'4" and others say 6'3". He looks like a VERY short 6'3" to me.
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Posted by SupremeCommander:

My top 10:

1. Derrick Rose (a true point that is fast and huge)
2. Michael Beasley (I have a mancrush on Rose)
3. Jerryd Bayless (shoot first point)
4. Eric Gordon (small shooting guard)
5. Tyler Smith (he's under-the-radar, but very good... almost put him at four)
6. DJ Augustin (led the nation in assists last year as a freshman, great this year too)
7. Brook Lopez (what you see is what you get)
8. DeAndre Jordan (what you don't see *maybe* you'll get)
9. OJ Mayo (soured on him because of his terrible percentages)
10.Hasheem Thabeet (great game followed by a train of stinkers)

(I think Chase Budinger and Blake Griffin are not likely to declare this year. I also have not seen Nicolas Batum and Danilo Ganillari play, so it would be unfair to me to comment, except that I've seen Batum's name on the mocks last year. Typically, if a guy comes on board late he gets overvalued and the next year he falls. Well, Batum seems to climb.)

O.J. Mayo is shooting 45% from the field, 41% from three and 80% from the line chief.
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3/2/2008  12:02 PM
1 -Rose
2 -Beasley
3 -Hibbert
4 -Augustine
5 -Collison
6 -Thabeet
7 -Hansborough
8 -Brandon Rush
9 -Joey Dorsey
10- Dark Horse-Bill Walker
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I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

To round off a top 10
7 OJ Mayo
8 Roy Hibbert
9 Eric Gordon
10 Chris Douglas Roberts

Briggs. Thabeet is conspicuously off your list.

He's in the 12-16 market right now. I don't like this regression and I still have to question his hands and how much work a team will have to put in to him. He's got to start catching the ball and using his enormous body to finish--he has nice touch at the basket and maybe all of these minutes have been ctaching up with him. I watch him every game at and some points during the year I thought he was advancing into a darkhorse top 3 pick. You can make a supreme aregument[like i have] that hasheem is a big time impact player right now while Jordan is a bit player for his team. But how does this translate to NBA basketball? I would like to see Hasheem pick it up.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

To round off a top 10
7 OJ Mayo
8 Roy Hibbert
9 Eric Gordon
10 Chris Douglas Roberts

Briggs. Thabeet is conspicuously off your list.

He's in the 12-16 market right now. I don't like this regression and I still have to question his hands and how much work a team will have to put in to him. He's got to start catching the ball and using his enormous body to finish--he has nice touch at the basket and maybe all of these minutes have been ctaching up with him. I watch him every game at and some points during the year I thought he was advancing into a darkhorse top 3 pick. You can make a supreme aregument[like i have] that hasheem is a big time impact player right now while Jordan is a bit player for his team. But how does this translate to NBA basketball? I would like to see Hasheem pick it up.

I see. Personally I would love for him to drop. A Rose/Thabeet draft sounds beautiful to me.
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3/2/2008  12:18 PM
For the Knicks Top 10:

1A. Derrick Rose
1B. Michael Beasley

I love Derrick Rose for the Knicks. He is exactly the type of player this team needs. Incredibale athleticism and is very good on the defensive end. Also a strong leader. Beasley is a remarkable offensive talent and would instantly be the best player the Knicks have had since Ewing. His attitude scares me though as he isn't known for being the hardest worker and I think theres been enough of that already here. That said, I'd still love to add a player of his calliber to the roster.

3. Eric Gordon
4. Brook Lopez

If we don't land Rose or Beasley, I think Gordon is the next best player. The Knicks definetly need consistent outside shooting and Gordon can do that VERY well. He's also a solid defender and has a good attitude. Brook Lopez is the best center in the draft, and while he won't be a franchise player, he will definetly be good one. I don't think either Curry or Randolph have a place here longterm if the goal is to ever really win (which is no sure thing that is the longterm goal), thus center is also a need position (a lot of those).

5A. Jerryd Bayless
5B. Russell Westbrook

Bayless is more polished offensively right now than any other point guard in this draft. He can flat out score. He's also a solid defender. He reminds me a bit of Jay Williams when he was at Duke. He could a Gilbert Arenas type in the NBA. I'd rather this team have more of a passer at point guard, but he is certainly a player worth looking at. Watch out for Westbrook come draft time, his stock is aleady soaring. He's the best prospect at UCLA. He is extremely quick and a great defender. He needs to refign his passing skills and handle a bit for the PG position, but he has a chance to be a very good one.

7. Anthony Randolph

Raw and very talented foward. Reminds me a bit of Chris Bosh early on in college. Another player who's stock should be followed closely come the draft. If the Knicks end up picking in the 5-7 range, Randolph is worth a look, although he will take time to develope.

8. D.J. Augustin

Small for the PG position in the NBA. He is however a pure PG and a great floor general. A leader on his Texas team and would fill the Knicks biggest need (in my opinion).


9. DeAndre Jordon

He will be picked higher than 9th in the draft. He is the most talented and has the most potential at the center spot in this draft. He does have some attitude questions however which is why I rate him down here, He's also a big project.


10. Hasheem Thabeet

Another good center prospect h has really come on strong at UConn this season. A great shotblocker with a suprising amount of skill offensively. He is by no means a scorer, but he wont kill you at that end either. Still no a sure thing in the NBA, but fills a potential need and would provide the shotblocking this team is desperate for.

Other: Donte Greene, Nicolas Batum, Danilo Gallinari, Roy Hibbert, Ty Lawson/Darren Collison.

I think the Knicks biggest need is PG and that Derrick Rose is our best bet. If we can get him I feel FOR THIS TEAM he is he best fit. after him on talent you would need to take Beasley (best overall talent in the draft). As of now we pick at five an could potentialy if we (please NO!) win too many games could fall into the pick 7 range. With that in mind the best options are Gordon, Lopez, Bayless, Westbrook, and Randolph. While I really want Rose, those players would all be good picks ups.

I think the Knicks are a team that especially needs to take attitude and defensive ability into account. A new type of mentality needs to start in this orginazation and this draft pick will hopefully be the first building block in establishing that. I don't want to take a chance on another big talent with questionalbe work ethic (hello Curry, Randolph, Marbury, etc..).

- I didn't include Darrell Arthur or Blake Griffin because I think they end up staying in school.
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3/2/2008  12:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we've been going back and forth all year on guys that make sense for us and it sure has been a fluid market. I have broke it down to 6 players[thinking that we will have a top 6 pick] and reasons why I have done so.

1. Mike Bealey 2. Derrick Rose--simply put two best players availble
3. Brook Lopez 4 Deandre Jordan--- Lopez is the most ready C prospect with a nice frame/true 7 footer with nice overall skills offensive and efensive and is the most fundamental 7 footer on the baord. I've been back and forth with Deandre all year. He was my first choice after pick 1-2 at the beginning of the year--alot of his own play made me drop him and question him but the more I watch I cannot refute the incredible physical package he has and the fact that he is rebounding the ball and has increased his shot blocking late in the year. He still has a LOOOONG way to go--he cant shoot he's awful from the FT line his intensity isnt always there but too much speed athletiscm and strength in a 7 foot body to ignore + he picked the wrong college team to play for. If he was on a team where he was a focus and had more space--it's possible he would have gone top 3 despite the negatives
5 Jerryd Bayless---He is better than Rose right now and might be better in the pros but6 Rose's physical strength and dramtic improvement on his jumpshot late in the year seperate the two and drops Bayless below the top two tier C prospects
6 Kosta Koufus--He is something between a Pau Gasol and a Memo Okur but he is tougher than Okur and I think he can be taught to stay in the post more in the NBA and use is outside abilities to compliment rather than to be a major factor in his play. He is tough skilled and 7-1 250 enough said.

Briiggs your analysis is always strong... but it would be exceptionally misguided to bring any more "potential" players who have difficulty maintaining focus on to this roster.
Whoever this team drafts must be ready to become a weapon right out of camp.
We need to draft players that play with exceptional focus, intensity and tenacity.
This is not about drafting one player, this is a process of redefining the character of this ball club.
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