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EnySpree
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2/27/2008  10:39 AM
The Knicks can only win the lottery if they lose every game or Miami and another team goes on a massive win streak.....

So that means the Knicks are looking @ pick 5-7.....

Are stiffs like Thabeet worth a pic that high? Green from Syracuse....is he really worth it?

Rod Thorns trade of Eddie Griffith for Richard Jefferson, Jason collins, and that other guy comes to mind. Griffith was emotionally disturbed but no one really knew that when he got drafted. He looked like he could be an all-star right away. Can you see Isiah drafting say, Donte Green, and trading down to a team with either multiple picks or guys on rookie deals?

I personally like bayless enough to take him @ 5-7 and be happy. With Isiah, I'm almost certain he will pick either Eric gordon cuz of indiana, or OJ Mayo cuz he is used to being under a microscope after being crowned the next big thing as a Freshman in high school.

Just throwing it out there. Can say Chase Budinger and tyler hansborough(sp?) or say Augustine, ty law or some of these guys combined be worth more to the Knicks that one guy?
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2/27/2008  10:46 AM
I think everyone is jumping the gun with Thabeet, I honestly don't think he will come out this year. Calhoun has his ear and Calhoun will honestly tell him he needs one more year of college basketball, I think Thabeet knows this too.

Now if Thabeet DID come out and was available in the 5-7 range, I would definitely take him, I don't think he's a stiff in the least. He's extremely athletic,is progressing offensively at a very high rate and defensively he's already one of the best in the country, if not THE best. Would love to have him.

Like I said though, I don't think Thabeet comes out, so I guess we are now looking at guys like Brook Lopez or Jerryd Bayless. If I had to choose between though two, I'm not sure who I'd go with. Bayless is a very nice looking PG and he's definitely a leader out on the floor, this obviously goes with the fact that he's a very good offensive player. Lopez on the other hand is fundamentally sound and is still evolving as an offensive player, he's crafty. He could turn out to be one of the best players in this draft if he keeps working at his game. I think a front-line of him and Lee would be pretty damn good. It's a tough call.
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EnySpree
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2/27/2008  11:01 AM
Is this Lopez guy good enough to go 5-7? Or would maybe Hibbert and Augustine be better?

Since I'm asking this question......are there even any teams with multiple picks?
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2/27/2008  11:33 AM
Yeah Eny, I think Lopez is good enough to go that high. I think he has much more of a upside than Hibbert and Augustine. Like I said earlier, he's real crafty, if he ever develops his game to the point where he can get into the post and be able to consistently work down there. This is in addition to the fact he's got a pretty good jumper, he's going to be a very good pro, he doesn't do one thing great but he does everything pretty well. I know you might think, well alot of people said that about Channing Frye too, but I think Lopez is a different case. Frye never had the body to be able to bang with the big boys down low, Lopez already does and I think he'll get bigger.

I was one of the very few people on this board who wanted nothing to do with Frye on draft night and I don't get that same sense at all about Lopez. I think if he gets with a good coach in the NBA who will work and teach him offensively, he has the ability to be a very good NBA player.
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2/27/2008  11:47 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Is this Lopez guy good enough to go 5-7? Or would maybe Hibbert and Augustine be better?

Since I'm asking this question......are there even any teams with multiple picks?

Not sure why, but Hibbert seems to be slowly slipping out of the lottery. He was a top 10 pick before the season began and now NBADRAFT.NET has him going 14th I think. Not really sure if that's a legit source though.
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2/27/2008  12:07 PM
JERRYD BAYLESS should be there at 5 or 6 pg from Arizona.

If the knicks don't take him , Clippers will bec sure to take him with a 7th pick or later.

cassell is 100yrs old and Livingston can't be counted on with the bad knee.

[Edited by - playa2 on 27-02-2008 12:13]
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2/27/2008  1:43 PM
Knicks need a PG and SF. And since the Knicks wont have the #1 pick to draft BEASLEY, the only player worth a damn this year, I would take a hard look at Augustine.

If Knicks plan to move J.Crawford....Chris Lofton would be someone else I would consider.
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2/27/2008  1:48 PM
Hibbert just isn't that good. He's sort of like Jamaal Magloire. I would certainly take Lopez over him, and I'd take Thabeet over both.

Bayless is a scorer. I don't really love his game, but his value at around the 5 pick would be undeniable. Darrell Arthur, IMO, still has a ton of upside and should be considered. The best guy might end up being Dario Gallinelli- the Italian player, but we won't know more untill the offseason about him.
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2/27/2008  1:54 PM
BTW- he's not a top 10 talent, but why does no one talk about that kid on Vanderbilt, Shan Foster? He had a massive game to beat Tennessee....
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2/27/2008  2:00 PM
if we're gonna draft a big i say go get Thabeet... he addresses what we need the most at this point... so what if he's raw, this team isn't exactly gonna be contending for any playoff positions next season anyway... mine as well let the kid play & see what he's got... oh wait, what a ridiculous suggestion... we are the Knicks afterall.
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2/27/2008  2:57 PM
5 - 7 i think we go for best available talent... but i wouldn't be mad if the knicks traded number 5 for 2 mid first round get a like Augustine the point for Texas

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-27-2008 3:01 PM]
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2/27/2008  6:17 PM
Posted by NyKnicks89:

5 - 7 i think we go for best available talent... but i wouldn't be mad if the knicks traded number 5 for 2 mid first round get a like Augustine the point for Texas

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-27-2008 3:01 PM]

I was looking and it only seems like Seattle has 2 picks this year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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2/27/2008  6:31 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by NyKnicks89:

5 - 7 i think we go for best available talent... but i wouldn't be mad if the knicks traded number 5 for 2 mid first round get a like Augustine the point for Texas

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-27-2008 3:01 PM]

I was looking and it only seems like Seattle has 2 picks this year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
new jersey Memphis and Seattle all have 2 first rounders so if we gonna trade down jersey our best bet they gonna have mid first rounder and a late 1 round pick because of the j kidd trade ....and also phoenix is gonna have atlanta pick...they always trade their picks cause they dont wanna spent the money,especially with shaq big contract they just took on.....maybe we can make a move with them......


#11 - Phoenix receives Atlanta's 2008 1st round pick from the Joe Johnson trade on Aug. 19, 2005
#24 - New Jersey receives Dallas's 2008 1st Round Pick, 2010 1st Round Pick, Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, Keith Van Horn, and $3 million from Dallas for Jason Kidd, Malik Allen, and Antoine Wright
#26 - Seattle receives Kurt Thomas and 2 future 1st round picks from Phoenix for future conditional 2nd round pick.
#28 - Memphis receives LA Lakers 2008 1st round pick, 2010 1st round pick, Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie, Javaris Crittenton, and the draft rights to Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol and a future 2nd round pick.
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2/27/2008  6:38 PM
I think the Knicks shot themselves in the foot by winning meaningless games - by the time they decided to win the season was over. When will they figure out that mediocrity gets you mediocrity?
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2/27/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by NyKnicks89:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by NyKnicks89:

5 - 7 i think we go for best available talent... but i wouldn't be mad if the knicks traded number 5 for 2 mid first round get a like Augustine the point for Texas

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-27-2008 3:01 PM]

I was looking and it only seems like Seattle has 2 picks this year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
new jersey Memphis and Seattle all have 2 first rounders so if we gonna trade down jersey our best bet they gonna have mid first rounder and a late 1 round pick because of the j kidd trade ....and also phoenix is gonna have atlanta pick...they always trade their picks cause they dont wanna spent the money,especially with shaq big contract they just took on.....maybe we can make a move with them......


#11 - Phoenix receives Atlanta's 2008 1st round pick from the Joe Johnson trade on Aug. 19, 2005
#24 - New Jersey receives Dallas's 2008 1st Round Pick, 2010 1st Round Pick, Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, Keith Van Horn, and $3 million from Dallas for Jason Kidd, Malik Allen, and Antoine Wright
#26 - Seattle receives Kurt Thomas and 2 future 1st round picks from Phoenix for future conditional 2nd round pick.
#28 - Memphis receives LA Lakers 2008 1st round pick, 2010 1st round pick, Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie, Javaris Crittenton, and the draft rights to Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol and a future 2nd round pick.



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2/27/2008  7:06 PM
The Knicks should package that pick up with a couple of unneeded players and see if they can bring Francis back here. I don't think Isiah gave the Marbury / Francis backcourt enough time to Gel. I think it would work great with the Zack / Curry frontcourt.
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2/28/2008  9:20 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

The Knicks should package that pick up with a couple of unneeded players and see if they can bring Francis back here. I don't think Isiah gave the Marbury / Francis backcourt enough time to Gel. I think it would work great with the Zack / Curry frontcourt.

Let's get Frank Williams back here too. He can play SF can't he?
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2/28/2008  10:49 AM
Knicks need to take the player with the most potential, regardless of what position he plays.

Some of you need to understand something - this team doesn't have a single player. You need to treat this franchise like an expansion team. It needs EVERYTHING. You can't say, "I don't want to draft O.J. Mayo because they have Jamal Crawford." FUCK CRAWFORD!! None of these current players will be here when the team starts winning again.
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2/28/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by NyKnicks89:

5 - 7 i think we go for best available talent... but i wouldn't be mad if the knicks traded number 5 for 2 mid first round get a like Augustine the point for Texas

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-27-2008 3:01 PM]


I might trade the 5th pick (O.J. Mayo, Eric Gordon) to get D.J. Augustine and Hasheem Thabeet.

[Edited by - klytus on 02-28-2008 10:58 AM]
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2/28/2008  10:59 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:

Knicks need a PG and SF. And since the Knicks wont have the #1 pick to draft BEASLEY, the only player worth a damn this year, I would take a hard look at Augustine.

If Knicks plan to move J.Crawford....Chris Lofton would be someone else I would consider.


How are the Knicks set at C, PF and SG? Give me a break man!!
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