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Finestrg
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2/25/2008  5:06 PM
3 similar young guys, who's the best of these 3?

David Lee, Linas Kleiza, Kevin Love?
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2/25/2008  5:13 PM
David lee = role player ,always hustles when playing but doest have a jump shot and doesnt play much defense

linas kleiza= haven't really seen him play but from what i herd he a nice young talent with a nice shot

kevin love = good college player a little under sized dont know how his game will translate to the pro game

[Edited by - NyKnicks89 on 02-25-2008 5:13 PM]
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2/25/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

3 similar young guys, who's the best of these 3?

David Lee, Linas Kleiza, Kevin Love?


Why are you comparing these guys?
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2/25/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by NyKnicks89:

David lee = role player ,always hustles when playing but doest have a jump shot and doesnt play much defense

linas kleiza= haven't really seen him play but from what i herd he a nice young talent with a nice shot

Kleiza is seriously not all that... he's a marginally better player than Boki Nachbar w/a little more size... not even close to being a better player than D Lee.
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2/25/2008  5:43 PM
Kevin Love will be a terrible pro but that's who we will end up drafting where we end up anyway.
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2/25/2008  6:07 PM
Kleiza is gonna be something, I watch him reguarly on league pass compared to the other 2.

Lee will never score 43 pts ...he can't shoot.
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2/25/2008  6:12 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by NyKnicks89:

David lee = role player ,always hustles when playing but doest have a jump shot and doesnt play much defense

linas kleiza= haven't really seen him play but from what i herd he a nice young talent with a nice shot

Kleiza is seriously not all that... he's a marginally better player than Boki Nachbar w/a little more size... not even close to being a better player than D Lee.

I'm not sure about that TMS. Just my humble opinion, but I think Kleiza has the most upside of the 3. While not the rebounder Lee is right now, I think this kid Kleiza is actually better than advertised, which is a rare thing in a pretty overhyped NBA these days. The kid's about Lee's size and although billed as a PF all the way (plus moves down low, plus rebounder, a little slow, no mention of a perimeter jumper at all) I honestly can say I don't see that at all. I see a big talented kid that's actually quick enough and a good enough perimeter player to play the 3 fulltime in the NBA. No doubt about it. Have no idea where the 'poor footspeed' rap came from. That's garbage. I'd say he's VERY QUICK for a big man. He moves extremely well for a guy with his size, runs the court well, shoots it well from deep with excellent form and can take the ball to the rim strong. Very decent offensive player. Now it's tough to crack that rotation out in Denver with the talent they have on the wing and in the paint, so I don't even think Denver knows where this kid fits in long-term at this point, but I can honestly say that this kid, with 35+ mins. a night, has a chance to eventually be a really dangerous weapon for some team, whether it's ultimately in Denver or somewhere else. Has more overall talent than David Lee, sorry to say. Much more. Much higher ceiling.

Same for Kevin Love. I see a very similar player to Kleiza - a little stronger but slower version (here's a guy that I actually agree with the 'lack of quickness' label - a guy that can really shoot it well from deep when he finds himself on the perimeter but looks more comfortable operating down low because on the lack of quickness) but very similar inside/outside player with a higher overall skill level than Lee. Again, relax guys, not trying to get everyone in an uproar here over Lee. These are just some names me and my friends were tossing around today. "Who would you rather have Lee or...." type of stuff.

I said today that I applauded Isiah Thomas for finally showing some interest in the right type of player, a guy I think is perfect for our rotten team that's going nowhere - a young inexpensive talent with big upside. Too bad the deadline deal of Randolph to the Nuggets didn't go down. I think it would've been the first move that I would've been 100% firmly behind that Zeke ever made since he's been here. Too bad it didn't happen. Oh well.


[Edited by - finestrg on 02-25-2008 6:29 PM]
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2/25/2008  6:13 PM
Posted by playa2:

Kleiza is gonna be something, I watch him reguarly on league pass compared to the other 2.

Lee will never score 43 pts ...he can't shoot.

He can score 42 without shooting one day... But only one...
Seriously haw you can evaluate Lee when he is coming from the bench for 20-25 min on terrible team with 3-4 chukers taking majority of shots?
We will find out about Lee after he will be traded from the Knicks or when he will sign with better team.



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2/25/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by playa2:

Kleiza is gonna be something, I watch him reguarly on league pass compared to the other 2.

Lee will never score 43 pts ...he can't shoot.

He can score 42 without shooting one day... But only one...
Seriously haw you can evaluate Lee when he is coming from the bench for 20-25 min on terrible team with 3-4 chukers taking majority of shots?
We will find out about Lee after he will be traded from the Knicks or when he will sign with better team.

You know what dude, fair enough. You guys know I love forcasting players & player predictions. Let's use David Lee. Let's say that happens and Lee eventually finds himself in a starting PF spot on some team somewhere with 40 minutes a night. What do you think you're gonna get exactly? Give me a comparison to another starting PF. You think you're gonna get Kevin Garnett numbers and production? Ok sorry, seriously, you think you're gonna get even David West numbers? Or even Zach Randolph numbers? I love how everyone overrates this guy on this board. It's hysterical!!!! Lee's a good, extremely useful/serviceable NBA role player/bench player - one of the NBA's best in fact - but nothing more. Not starting PF caliber, at least I don't see it. Sorry guys.

[Edited by - finestrg on 02-25-2008 10:50 PM]
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2/25/2008  6:36 PM
David Lee is most definitely overrated by Knicks fans. The only thing he does average to above average is rebounding and FT's.
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2/25/2008  6:37 PM
give D Lee 35+ a night & he puts up 16 / 10 just off his hustle alone... Finestrg, i gotta humbly disagree w/u on ur rating of Kleiza... IMO he'd make a very nice 6th man for any team in the NBA, but D Lee is a legitimate starter in my book.
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2/25/2008  6:40 PM
D Lee isn't a legitimate starter yet. Not without any semblance of an offensive game. He's basically Troy Murphy Lite.
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2/25/2008  7:06 PM
If I had to go with a player I'm saying Kleiza.

David's perimeter game and man-to-man D is not good at all. I'm not sure if he can excel in these two areas therefore his upside won't change much.
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2/25/2008  7:08 PM
Posted by islesfan:

D Lee isn't a legitimate starter yet. Not without any semblance of an offensive game. He's basically Troy Murphy Lite.

he's 1 of the better rebounders in the game & he excels on the fastbreak & finishing off offensive putbacks... he gets his points even w/o a perimeter J based on his hustle alone & getting to the FT line... he could start for any # of teams right now, including ours, if Isiah would just wake TFU for once & give him a shot.

ATL, CHA, CHI, CLE, DEN, DET, GS, HOU, IND, MEM, MIA, MIL, MIN, NJ, PHI, POR, SAC, SA, SEA... all teams where D Lee could be starting right now if he were on their team, either to replace their starting PF, or to move their starting PF over to C.
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