The Knicks and Bucks had serious discussions about a trade on Thursday.

Zach Randolph and guard Fred Jones would have gone to Milwaukee in exchange for guard Charlie Bell, forward Bobby Simmons and center Dan Gadzuric, according to a league source

glad that didn't happen those guys suck
no CV no deal thomas is a moron

This is the same BS that has been recycled over the last few months. I am sure Milwaukee is under some extreme pressure (Larry Harris) -top to bottom they are a very talented team (Michael Redd/Bogut/Yi/Villanueva/Ma Williams/ Bell/Mason) and they have had a terrible season. I am getting tired of reading a zillion times in four months how Kohl turned down this deal. Something is fishy - why keep brniging up the same deal EVERY week for the last 10 weeks!! I could care less if Kohl has turned sdown the deal - the deal isdefinitely not good for the Knicks - and thats all that matters.

Why the f**k should the Knicks be a repository of bad contracts and no talent player (we have done fine in that department ) and so I see very little need to continue to add to an obviously bad situation with further bad lateral moves. In that sense - IT s correct- when everyone knows your in trouble - you will get those types of deal - like hey let me take your best player and give you a bag of s**t and long non-expiring contract. This is the pattern for this year- give us Crawford/Randolph or an expiring contract and in return we will give you a heavily overpaid guy with a long term contract. So I think -at least for 1 year - the Knicks should not be in the trade market. The perception is out there - that IT/Knicks are desperate and may actually in their desperation do another bad deal (as if the Curry/Crawford/Q Rich deals weren't bad enough).

Hopefully - we get a genuine ready to play and potential superstar in the draft. Let Marbury/Rose expire and make no further moves. Also - since Marbury is in the last year of his contract (and he has had time to heal from the death of his father and bone spurs) - he may revert back to the same player who led the Kicks to the playoffs in 2004. But basically I think Marbury will play much better next year and finally the team realizes that compared to Marbury - they suck- if after the Philadelphia games, etc - they have to concede they can not handle the ball anywhere near Marbury's capability. This team always thought they were better than they were - the unanimous decision to not let Marbury play is mind-boggling - considering there is not a single player on the Knicks anywhere near as good as Steph. I am sure this season - they all realize that -it was time for every single player on tis team to have a heavy dose of humble pie- and its about time - they start to realize - they are not that good (including Lee).

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-22-2008 1:39 PM]

Blueseats:
It has always been my belief (not that it may have been wrong) - that Marbury was brought into be the lynchpin till the team was rebuilt. As I said earlier -being correct in hindsight is nothing special. Of all deals - I would have to say that the Curry deal (at the time-was the one tat made the most sense-).

Allow me to explain:
The Bulls DID want to resign Curry which is why they signed him to the extension - then the heart issue came up and they even went out on the limb and sad they would pay him 500K for LIFE if he had a genuine heart problem. He turned it down mainly because of the genetic test stuff - which did have some unsavory implications. At the time - he was 22 -had been the Bulls leading scorer and had the highest NBA FG%. Yes- we all know he didn't play defense and that he didn't rebound - Skiles was notorious for pointing that out- but of the two (Chandler/Curry) -Paxson also bet on Curry. At the time - they really felt -he was worth two first round draft picks - just like they felt Wallace was worth 60M over 4 years. At times -he has been (as Frazier would say-Tantalizing) but basically I HAVE to agree with everyone else - he has failed to step up and improve himself in anyway -since he arrived.

But I see no reason to have had any hopes for Crawford/Q Rich. They had been in the league for awhile, had no real pattern of improvement and I can not for the life of me figure out -why -even then -- there could be any perception of future returns (I could see it for Ben Gordon - but not those two).

Marbury is STILL the best player on the Knicks. Whether you look at his numbers/skill level/ consistency of production over the years etc. He is the only guy who was ever an ALL -Star on this team - and still is.
No doubt -he had issues with LB or other coaches or whatever. But the point is -how can professional basketball players FAIL to recognize this. I am not saying Marbury is Kobe/Le Bron etc- but he is still the best player on the Knicks. No doubt this year - was abysmal between his disappointment in not getting a contract extension, his father's untimely demise and the bone spurs- but still - he was and is the Knicks best ball player. I can not understand the mentality of players like Crawford/Robinson/Lee/Balkman etc who actually think otherwise. That said - I hope the players shut up and let him run the team till our draft pick (hopefully OJ Mayo) is ready.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-22-2008 2:11 PM]

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Blueseats:
It has always been my belief (not that it may have been wrong) - that Marbury was brought into be the lynchpin till the team was rebuilt. As I said earlier -being correct in hindsight is nothing special. Of all deals - I would have to say that the Curry deal (at the time-was the one tat made the most sense-).

Allow me to explain:
The Bulls DID want to resign Curry which is why they signed him to the extension - then the heart issue came up and they even went out on the limb and sad they would pay him 500K for LIFE if he had a genuine heart problem. He turned it down mainly because of the genetic test stuff - which did have some unsavory implications. At the time - he was 22 -had been the Bulls leading scorer and had the highest NBA FG%. Yes- we all know he didn't play defense and that he didn't rebound - Skiles was notorious for pointing that out- but of the two (Chandler/Curry) -Paxson also bet on Curry. At the time - they really felt -he was worth two first round draft picks - just like they felt Wallace was worth 60M over 4 years. At times -he has been (as Frazier would say-Tantalizing) but basically I HAVE to agree with everyone else - he has failed to step up and improve himself in anyway -since he arrived.

But I see no reason to have had any hopes for Crawford/Q Rich. They had been in the league for awhile, had no real pattern of improvement and I can not for the life of me figure out -why -even then -- there could be any perception of future returns (I could see it for Ben Gordon - but not those two).

Marbury is STILL the best player on the Knicks. Whether you look at his numbers/skill level/ consistency of production over the years etc. He is the only guy who was ever an ALL -Star on this team - and still is.
No doubt -he had issues with LB or other coaches or whatever. But the point is -how can professional basketball players FAIL to recognize this. I am not saying Marbury is Kobe/Le Bron etc- but he is still the best player on the Knicks. No doubt this year - was abysmal between his disappointment in not getting a contract extension, his father's untimely demise and the bone spurs- but still - he was and is the Knicks best ball player. I can not understand the mentality of players like Crawford/Robinson/Lee/Balkman etc who actually think otherwise. That said - I hope the players shut up and let him run the team till our draft pick (hopefully OJ Mayo) is ready.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-22-2008 2:11 PM]

I don't blame the players. It's the management that spent 600mm+ acquiring them. If there is NOT one all star after all that money spent---shouldn't that equate new management? I remember quite well when Isiah said he would've taken Frye FIRST in that draft---so to me--with his combinations of failures in player acquisitions via the NBA and draft--would you EVER trust him to make one more move--I mean ever? Isiah Thomas has been the Titanic 2008. James Dolan is worse and he's NOT man enough to speak up when the ship be sinkin --truly a little man in every respect.