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McK1
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2/22/2008  11:07 AM
Let's dig into the latest — and last — flurry of trades.

Cleveland-Chicago-Seattle
Cavaliers get: Ben Wallace, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Joe Smith, future Chicago second-round pick
Bulls get: Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Shannon Brown, Cedric Simmons
Sonics get: Ira Newble, Adrian Griffin, Donyell Marshall

For the Cavs, is swallowing Ben Wallace's huge contract worth the addition of Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and Joe Smith?

Wondrous Wally can shoot with anybody, has a limited handle, and an unlimited ego. He can establish and maintain proper defensive positioning, but he's too slow off the mark to be considered an adequate defender. Delonte West has guts and a nifty shot, but is too slow to play point guard at a playoff-caliber level.


Together, Szczerbiak and West lack the speed and quickness of the departed Larry Hughes and Shannon Brown, but are much superior shooters. In any event, the Cavs have done nothing to resolve their point-guard dilemma.

Smith is a pro — curtail his minutes and he can score in the low post, grab unexpected rebounds, and always be in the right place at the right time. If he can stay healthy, he's a modest upgrade over Drew Gooden.

Ben Wallace is ready for the glue factory. Will he be content to back up Zydrunas Ilgauskas? And when Anderson Varejao returns, who sits: The younger, quicker, much more active Varejao? Or the rapidly shrinking Ben?

Overall, the Cavs got appreciably slower and their perimeter defense got worse. Except for an occasional foray by LBJ, forget about fast breaks and early offense. From now on, it's half-court basketball — and with Wallace on the floor, look for LBJ to be two-timed on his every touch.

Cleveland's grade: C+

Chicago added several interesting players without yielding any of their core guys.

Gooden is an average power forward, getting by on effort more than on skill. Look for him to split time with Tyrus Thomas and provide a modicum of post-up scoring.

Hughes is best in a wide-open game where he can either pull or get to the hole, but do the Bulls have enough defense and board-power to get out and go? Probably not. Still, how soon before Hughes takes over Kirk Hinrich's PT?

Brown is another runner, an improving shooter, and a vastly underrated player. If he buckles down and works harder on his game than he has thus far, Brown could be the sleeper in the deal.

Simmons' main task will be to keep the last seat on the bench warm.

Now comes the real test for the Bulls. How well can they compete with Joakim Noah and Aaron Gray manning the middle? But hey, this tandem can't be any worse than Wallace was all by himself. At least they'll hustle on every play.

All at once, the Bulls are younger, quicker and more motivated. Now if only Hinrich, Ben Gordon, and Luol Deng could get their heads straight, then perhaps the Bulls might have a viable future.

Chicago's grade: B

Seattle continues to pay more attention to its crystal ball than to the next game on its schedule. Ira Newble and Adrian Griffin will be gone and forgotten by the Fourth of July. Only the sad remnants of Donyell Marshall's once potent game will stick around.

At least Sam Presti continues to be true to his commitment of totally rebuilding the roster he inherited. Once all the expiring contracts have expired, the Sonics will have enough cap-free bucks to buy Donald Trump.

Seattle's grade: B+

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7825038/For-Cavaliers,-changes-may-not-be-for-the-better


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2/22/2008  11:09 AM
I see no 'A's there.

Oh, right. No mention of Big Chief Triangle.
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2/22/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by K22:

I see no 'A's there.

Oh, right. No mention of Big Chief Triangle.

Spurs got an A for acquiring KT
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2/22/2008  1:11 PM

The bulls should be happy to see the return of Crawford in the smaller body of Larry Hughes.
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2/22/2008  1:16 PM
I don't like Charlie Rosen, but I kind of have to agree that I don't think that was a good trade at all for the Cavs. I think it basically seals the deal on Lebron leaving in 2010.
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2/22/2008  1:18 PM
i don't understand why so many on down on the cavs trade or think this will upset lebron.

lakers got gasol for expirings and change. it's not like wally and ben are signed for 4 years each. they can easily turn those expirings in another year or two for another big time player.

i think cle has the potential to become a dynasty soon.
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2/22/2008  1:22 PM
Why are people so down on the Cavs trade?

Ben Wallace is not slow, he's very athletic defensively, which is an upgrade over Drew Gooden. Delonte West is slightly less athletic than Larry Hughes. Wally Z? Ok fine, he's slow defensively, but big deal, it's only one guy. Offensively, it's not even funny how much of an improvement this trade is for the Cavs. With West and Wally, Lebron is going to be able to clear it out all day long with teams worried about the open kickout 3.

The Cavs are going to be happy and so is LeBron.
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2/22/2008  1:24 PM
This trade still doesn't help Cleveland get over the Boston/Detroit hump, therefore it doesn't change much.
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2/22/2008  1:25 PM

Cavs got some nice Role players even if they are retread big money players.

Wally is a sniper and will open things up for the big Z. Ben at PF is more effective than him at center and will help Z also. Boobie Gibson got hurt for a few weeks but put him and Wally out there along with that Lebron guy make them a very formatable trio.

If lebron can delegate as did Jordan to his role players they are very strong in the east!

Keeping them healthy will be the key, but isn' that always the case.
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2/22/2008  2:19 PM
I think Cleveland did the right thing. They improved their defense and rebounding by adding Wallace. Z and Wallace is a strong defensive core and no one is 'just' going to be able to get to the hole.

They get 3 point shooter depth - with Jones/ Gibson/Sasha and Wally. They get offense/defense PF - with Smith/Wallace and even Varejo. They get another ball handler in West.

The team has increased its depth tremendously - something you need for the playoffs. I see them catapulting to the top 3 teams of the Eastern Conference because of these moves. They are now stronger than Toronto /Orlando for sure - which they weren't before the trade IMO.
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2/22/2008  2:56 PM
the argument that Wally and Ben will be expiring deals in two years sounds a lot like the logic of trading for Mo Taylor (which outraged people here).

Ben is not what he was. Wally is not what he was. Delonte is solid. This was a weird trade and a huge risk - as in risk of upsetting Bron further.
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2/22/2008  3:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the argument that Wally and Ben will be expiring deals in two years sounds a lot like the logic of trading for Mo Taylor (which outraged people here).

Ben is not what he was. Wally is not what he was. Delonte is solid. This was a weird trade and a huge risk - as in risk of upsetting Bron further.

but ben + wally + delonte is a big upgrade over drew + donyell + newble (who already helped them win 50 games and get to the finals).
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2/22/2008  3:44 PM
wonder why they just didn't deal with Seattle straight up and go for Collison along with Wally Z and Delonte.



[Edited by - McK1 on 22-02-2008 3:44 PM]
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