Posted by tkf:

It reminds me of how some teams don't get it. Looking at the Hawks roster in 2003/2004, when they traded for rasheed wallace, they had a roster that included, Jason Terry, Boris diaw, Stephen jackson and Joel pryzbilla. Rasheed played in that 1 game with the hawks vs the nets and he had 20/6 and 5 blocks.... Just think if they had kept wallace and that team together,
Diaw, terry, wallace, stephen jackson.. I mean that is a lot of talent. Instead they trade sheed in what seemed like a salary dump/ favor from the Hawks GM to the pistons GM. I mean that trade set the hawks back for years and they have never recovered. When I saw that game, and how sheed could have changed the hawks, I almost cried when they gave him to the pistons.. the hawks never recovered and the pistons are who they are now....

This just reminds me of some of the stupid trades GM's make now, like the gasol trade. Sometimes these organizations just don't get it.. they just don't!! since then, the hawks have had plenty of cap space to replace a guy like sheed, and they have yet to come close..

Posted by Cosmic:

It was an interesting roster and it had potential but you have to realize that you had NINE owners all fighting over who was to sell what portion of the team and to whom be it individual or as a group - SO - the team was still in that cost-cutting-to-be-appealing-to-a-prospective-buyer mode.

Prior to that the team was used by it's owners as a tax cutting measure - a corporate money chute - not a team!

So....you had no hope.

I have not kept up with the team and how it's ownership has changed but it appears my lashing at hollinger for tagging them as the 7th seed in the east playoffs this year...was well.. way off as that's exactly what they are!

As to watching another team - and wondering why your favorite team can't get their act together - it won't do you any good, TKF, cause you can't change who is in charge.

I know everyone hates Dolan but the bottom line is he gave Isiah 100% leeway to do whatever he wanted to do. He controlled Layden - as he said himself he wanted to try to run the team - but he let Isiah do EVERYTHING he wanted to do.

Maybe we get lucky and Isiah and Mills get canned, Dolan hires Colangelo in Mills' place, and Colangelo is allowed to operate freely and will hire a competant Knick GM in Isiah's place.

It's our only hope......as we read today's trade rumors, it's the same old "Oh! We're just one more trade away from elite status!" and we all know....it's all BS. Yet another Isiah trade will just give us more of what he has given us the past 4+ years .... TRASH!!!

I know hawks ownership has been a thorn in its side, but I am not sure what was the status of ownership then. Either way, it is a shame that the roster never got a chance to develop. sheed at the time was what 27 or 28, terry was very young as was diaw. pryzbilla, jackson, wow, if ownership only had a clue...

As far as our situation, I just roll with the punches man, i look at the rumors and shake my head. Isiah is still spinning his wheels, making dumb ass trade offers, like the one he supposedly made to the kings, I mean come on. As you said, Isiah still thinks we are a player away from fixing this mess.. LOL.. what a dope.. even with all of the hawks blunders, they will probably make the playoffs this year, and that just goes to show that you can make mistakes, but you can quickly recover if you are smart, and a little lucky.. I think the Hawks did OK, but that sheed trade has kept them from being in a better position now...

Posted by McK1:

Posted by TMS:

the picks can turn out to be awesome, u never know... there are players like Josh Howard, David Lee & Monta Ellis that emerge out of late round picks all the time... & they will deal Lowry regardless... he's not a SG & they needed a bigger G to play alongside Conley.

why are so many under the impression Lowry isn't wanted?

you need a good point and a solid back-up to win in the NBA

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

It reminds me of how some teams don't get it. Looking at the Hawks roster in 2003/2004, when they traded for rasheed wallace, they had a roster that included, Jason Terry, Boris diaw, Stephen jackson and Joel pryzbilla. Rasheed played in that 1 game with the hawks vs the nets and he had 20/6 and 5 blocks.... Just think if they had kept wallace and that team together,
Diaw, terry, wallace, stephen jackson.. I mean that is a lot of talent. Instead they trade sheed in what seemed like a salary dump/ favor from the Hawks GM to the pistons GM. I mean that trade set the hawks back for years and they have never recovered. When I saw that game, and how sheed could have changed the hawks, I almost cried when they gave him to the pistons.. the hawks never recovered and the pistons are who they are now....

This just reminds me of some of the stupid trades GM's make now, like the gasol trade. Sometimes these organizations just don't get it.. they just don't!! since then, the hawks have had plenty of cap space to replace a guy like sheed, and they have yet to come close..

in fall fairness i think u need to wait til u see what MEM does w/those picks & that cap space before determining they made a terrible mistake or not... what ATL did was pathetic... they basically sold Sheed for picks that they pissed down the drain anyways... if MEM goes & drafts wisely using their lottery pick this season along w/those added picks & adds a FA somewhere down the road w/that newfound cap space i think people might look at this trade a whole lot differently, not to mention if Pau's bro & Javaris Crittendon pans out to be anything more than solid NBA talents

[Edited by - TMS on 02-12-2008 5:24 PM]

maybe so, but how good are those picks? the lakers are going to be one of the better teams in the league? I do think crittendon will be a nice player, but he is redundant, they have conley and lowry..

The only question regarding Rasheed Wallace's future with the Knicks is when he will join the team, not if he will, according to a person close to Wallace.

Wallace, a talented yet controversial 6-foot-11 forward, is so intent on playing for the Knicks that he is willing to turn down millions of dollars from other teams, the person said.

"Rasheed is kind of hooked on the city," the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "It's his preference to try to get there."

Wallace, who was traded from Portland to Atlanta on Feb. 9, played down his interest in the Knicks before last night's game against the Nets.

"Right now, it's about Atlanta," said Wallace, who will become a free agent after this season. "I'm not worried about the end of the season."

But Wallace's agent, Bill Strickland, admitted that his goal was to have Wallace on the Knicks' roster before today's 3 p.m. trading deadline.

"While I am hopeful, I'm not optimistic that something will happen by tomorrow," Strickland said yesterday.

The Knicks, Detroit and Dallas are the main teams in pursuit of Wallace. The Knicks do not have the pieces to get Wallace in a two-team trade and have been trying to get a third and even a fourth team involved.

Two executives in the league said that Utah was interested in brokering a multiteam deal. Because Utah is close to $6.5 million under the salary cap, it does not have to take back salaries with matching contracts, giving the team flexibility. Utah, according to one Western Conference executive, has been indicating it wants to pull off a major deal before the trading deadline.

Isiah Thomas, the Knicks' president of basketball operations, has revived their attraction to potential free agents, which sagged in recent years. As a two-time All-Star, Wallace provides the athleticism and toughness that fits Thomas's identity for the Knicks.

The Knicks have seen this issue before — a high-profile free agent, like Chris Webber, saying he would love to come to the Knicks before the bidding began, then deciding to take the best financial deal.

But in expressing his desire to play for the Knicks, Wallace may also be intending to do what Gary Payton and Karl Malone did last summer: sacrifice a large contract to win a championship.

Wallace, who is making $17 million this season, is 29, and his next contract will probably be his last chance for a relatively lucrative one.

Strickland would not go into detail about Wallace's thinking, but when asked if Wallace would sign with the Knicks for the $5 million midlevel exception even if another team was offering him $9 million or $10 million a year, the person close to Wallace said, "Yes."

As evidence, he pointed to Wallace's recent rejection of Portland's four-year contract extension that was worth a reported $35 million to $40 million. Asked if Wallace had a future with the Knicks in mind when he turned down Portland's offer, the person again said yes.

"He's already walked away from some money to put himself in position to play for the Knicks," the person said.

Apparently, Wallace's affinity for the Knicks is based on his belief that he can be the final piece in the club's championship puzzle. While the Knicks were hardly even in playoff contention two months ago, the team's performance since trading for Stephon Marbury has turned Wallace into a believer.

"He wants to play with a veteran team that has a chance to challenge and win now," the person said. "He does not want to be part of a rebuilding team."

While Atlanta, which has positioned itself to be $20 million under the salary cap this summer, is shopping Wallace before the trading deadline, the Hawks have not ruled out attempting to re-sign him.

Atlanta is hoping to pry Kobe Bryant from the Lakers in free agency, and it would seem that its only hope of attracting Bryant would be to have a frontcourt superstar like Wallace ready to join him.

"I don't know how you let him slide through the cracks," Hawks guard Jason Terry said before last night's 98-92 loss to the Nets. "I'd be trying to offer him something if I was doing it. He's a great player. As you can see, we need him. We need something."

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

It reminds me of how some teams don't get it. Looking at the Hawks roster in 2003/2004, when they traded for rasheed wallace, they had a roster that included, Jason Terry, Boris diaw, Stephen jackson and Joel pryzbilla. Rasheed played in that 1 game with the hawks vs the nets and he had 20/6 and 5 blocks.... Just think if they had kept wallace and that team together,
Diaw, terry, wallace, stephen jackson.. I mean that is a lot of talent. Instead they trade sheed in what seemed like a salary dump/ favor from the Hawks GM to the pistons GM. I mean that trade set the hawks back for years and they have never recovered. When I saw that game, and how sheed could have changed the hawks, I almost cried when they gave him to the pistons.. the hawks never recovered and the pistons are who they are now....

This just reminds me of some of the stupid trades GM's make now, like the gasol trade. Sometimes these organizations just don't get it.. they just don't!! since then, the hawks have had plenty of cap space to replace a guy like sheed, and they have yet to come close..

in fall fairness i think u need to wait til u see what MEM does w/those picks & that cap space before determining they made a terrible mistake or not... what ATL did was pathetic... they basically sold Sheed for picks that they pissed down the drain anyways... if MEM goes & drafts wisely using their lottery pick this season along w/those added picks & adds a FA somewhere down the road w/that newfound cap space i think people might look at this trade a whole lot differently, not to mention if Pau's bro & Javaris Crittendon pans out to be anything more than solid NBA talents

[Edited by - TMS on 02-12-2008 5:24 PM]

maybe so, but how good are those picks? the lakers are going to be one of the better teams in the league? I do think crittendon will be a nice player, but he is redundant, they have conley and lowry..

David Lee was picked 30th and let's not forget all of the second round draft pick studs that have panned out. You can't write those 1rst round picks off as if they have no value. It's way too early to judge the trade.

Plus in your ATL reflection you do realize ATL would have had to offer new deals to Wallace, Diaw, Terry, and Pyrz. Seriously would you want to roll with that team sealing it's future. ATL's problem was drafting Josh Smith, Childress, Williams, and Williams.

They could have had Deng, and/or Iguadola, Kevin Martin in 2004, Chris Paul in 2005, Bradon Roy and Paul Milsap in 2006.

Clearly their problem has been drafting

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

It reminds me of how some teams don't get it. Looking at the Hawks roster in 2003/2004, when they traded for rasheed wallace, they had a roster that included, Jason Terry, Boris diaw, Stephen jackson and Joel pryzbilla. Rasheed played in that 1 game with the hawks vs the nets and he had 20/6 and 5 blocks.... Just think if they had kept wallace and that team together,
Diaw, terry, wallace, stephen jackson.. I mean that is a lot of talent. Instead they trade sheed in what seemed like a salary dump/ favor from the Hawks GM to the pistons GM. I mean that trade set the hawks back for years and they have never recovered. When I saw that game, and how sheed could have changed the hawks, I almost cried when they gave him to the pistons.. the hawks never recovered and the pistons are who they are now....

This just reminds me of some of the stupid trades GM's make now, like the gasol trade. Sometimes these organizations just don't get it.. they just don't!! since then, the hawks have had plenty of cap space to replace a guy like sheed, and they have yet to come close..

in fall fairness i think u need to wait til u see what MEM does w/those picks & that cap space before determining they made a terrible mistake or not... what ATL did was pathetic... they basically sold Sheed for picks that they pissed down the drain anyways... if MEM goes & drafts wisely using their lottery pick this season along w/those added picks & adds a FA somewhere down the road w/that newfound cap space i think people might look at this trade a whole lot differently, not to mention if Pau's bro & Javaris Crittendon pans out to be anything more than solid NBA talents

[Edited by - TMS on 02-12-2008 5:24 PM]

maybe so, but how good are those picks? the lakers are going to be one of the better teams in the league? I do think crittendon will be a nice player, but he is redundant, they have conley and lowry..

David Lee was picked 30th and let's not forget all of the second round draft pick studs that have panned out. You can't write those 1rst round picks off as if they have no value. It's way too early to judge the trade.

Plus in your ATL reflection you do realize ATL would have had to offer new deals to Wallace, Diaw, Terry, and Pyrz. Seriously would you want to roll with that team sealing it's future. ATL's problem was drafting Josh Smith, Childress, Williams, and Williams.

They could have had Deng, and/or Iguadola, Kevin Martin in 2004, Chris Paul in 2005, Bradon Roy and Paul Milsap in 2006.

Clearly their problem has been drafting

That team right there could get a 4th seed in the east I think...... But you are right, drafting has been the hawks biggest problem, but a team with wallace, diaw, pryz and terry would not have been bad at all...

I'm saying it would have been hard to judge what direction they should have gone considering the deals that were coming to these guys. How do you judge what to do with Wallace after he's only played half a season? Dumars/Det gave Sheed $50mil, Atl gave Diaw $45mil, Dallas gave Terry $50mil, Portland gave Pyrz $30mil, then Jackson was on the books along with Reef. I just don't see how to justify going all in with that team even in hindsight.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-13-2008 10:08 AM]