Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BlueSeats:
One more thing 'luva, lets not forget it was you who first starting slinging arrows with all the stuff about how 'real fans' would believe in the dipsey doo offense and Marbury/Francis and Zach/Eddy, etc, and all the negative talk is just people like us offering NOTHING.
Every time someone spells out the disasters this team confronts you've swept it under the rug and considered it NOTHING.
You're a sincere guy, and I understand you think being a die hard fan is no cause for reproach but you've always been condescending towards anyone not wearing the same shade of rose colored glasses. This stuff isn't finding you by accident.
The idea that all I did around here was attack people is a false one. There was a period of time when WE ALL were engaged in a spirited debate and it wasn't just me attacking without provocation. The only thing that bothered me was the way some fans here were all too eager to bash the team or even give any success a chance. I went back and looked at the threads when there was major back and forth and we all gave as good as we got. Don't make it seem like it was somehow me starting all the issues and beating up on poor little guys around here. The majority of my posts aren't attacking anyone and you all know that. Most of the time i'm just standing up for the team or expressing some other point. The attack posts are the smallest % of posts i've made here.
I also find it funny how it's all so easy for some of us to stand off at a distance from the team now and guys wanna act as if they predicted this level of failure. NO ONE predicted this nor should we have. Need I remind you of how close most of our predictions have been with regard to the team. The major difference has been that I disagreed with some of the over the top negative comments by a few here. I wasn't the only one. In fact the whole Lover vs. Hater thing predates my being on this forum.
'luva you're a sincere guy so you somehow feel you're above the fray, but it's not like you're singled out and ganged up on. We're only having this discussion because you got whimpery instead of laughing off your own contradictions about Steph getting extended vs sucking.
But no, instead of addressing the topic you've made it about "you guys offer NOTHING".
All the while we were the ones delineating how Marbury fractured teams, and why the Quick offense wasn't suited to our roster, and vice versa, and why we shouldn't expect similarly dysfunctional players to be be compatible, etc. You always considered those contributions to be "nothing", yet you wonder why your own notions are ever challenged.
You were simply wrong many, many times and condescending towards those who were right. You took very strong positions on controversial issues, are you surprised it sometimes comes back to bite you? Weren't you the one who was gonna come down with a hammer on those who doubted Steph?
It's not that big of a deal, we still like you.
I wasn't wrong about Steph being able to contribute in a positive manner last season. He did do that and last year was widely held to be one of his best all around performances. Don't confuse the overall record with how he was actually playing.
In terms of the teams record again i'll restate that I wasn't alone in my predictions about the team every year.
In regard to the whole Quick offense deal, I still believe that we see the team using some of those principles even now and when he players execute it works very well. I would blame much of the problems on Isiah's use of his players. This year in particular he's been very shaky in terms of coaching the team.
In regard to the whole Steph and Francis issue, I pointed out that what they were asked to do wasn't that difficult and technically it's not. The two players didn't actually play much of the season together due to a lot of reasons, not all having to do with playing poorly together. Much of that was due to injury. Francis and Steph actually had many big games together. Francis had a much better start than Steph, but later in the season they both played a bit better at the same time, whenever they happened to be healthy. Still it was never my intention to hold those two out to be the best thing since sliced bread, in fact I never liked francis as a player. My contention was that the role of the PG in Isiah's scheme wasn't one where they were asked to do much reading of the defense. What killed the team was that overall the team was a poor passing team after you got passed the PG starting the play. Of course the biggest issue was a lack of D.
You're overstating things to make your point and besides that, there's still no reason to go back in time and try to use that as an excuse to try and rip me now, when I haven't done or said anything to provoke that. Go ahead and find a post from me where I went back and tried to use some single statement you made which didn't workout as you expected, against you.
2/9/2008 12:24 PM
