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This guy has been putting up great point guard numbers while his play has been a controlled fury. The question isn't "is he good enough", cuz he is....... The Question is, do you want Nate Robinson as your starting point guard?
yes, focus on filling another spot
no, he doesn't take me to that happy place
I'd rather lose more games and pray to God the Knicks can get Derrick Rose no matter how much of a long shot that is
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1/28/2008  8:48 AM
If you built the team for his style. (I pray for the day that we actually have a style)

If we wanted to play every game like we did against the Warriors, without the wasted minutes that Curry was on the floor, you could see him as your starter.
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1/28/2008  8:49 AM
Derrick Rose!
Derrick Rose!
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1/28/2008  9:38 AM
I like Nate.
He is another prove that this roster is a mess and has starters who should not start on NBA team.
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1/28/2008  9:39 AM
Nate is just not starting PG material unless he can effectively hawk the ball full court and up his court sense. IMHO he is a great 6th man combo guard guy off the bench.
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1/28/2008  9:41 AM
Posted by martin:

Nate is just not starting PG material unless he can effectively hawk the ball full court and up his court sense. IMHO he is a great 6th man combo guard guy off the bench.

agreed. effective as an energy bunny for 10 min a night - role player/spark minutes. lets not start speaking about him like he's a starter/superstar.
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1/28/2008  9:49 AM
Let's not forget he is new to being a point-the strides he had made this year are wonderful-he may not be there yet but isn't far from it
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1/28/2008  9:53 AM
Posted by TheSage:

Let's not forget he is new to being a point-the strides he had made this year are wonderful-he may not be there yet but isn't far from it

Nate is my fav knicks player to watch this year. when i watch
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1/28/2008  9:54 AM
I don't like small pt guards as starters.

I think nate is good for the bench and can be a valuable tool on most nights.

And that ain't bad at all!
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1/28/2008  9:57 AM
The focus on the rest of the year is deciding on whether Jamal and Nate are a viable backcourt. For the month of January they looked like one. Neither are true PG's but both are capable of filling the role. I still would add a third guard to rotate in- someone like Raja Bell would be perfect- a stout defender who can shoot the 3.

But look at Nate's A/To lately. I can tell a lot of people aren't really watching the Knicks lately (and for good reason), but Nate has been shockingly good.
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1/28/2008  10:06 AM
There is no need to focus on that. Crawford is never going to help the team produce wins, he still takes out of control shots that ignite fast breaks. Our focus needs to be moving guys like Jamal for draft picks or whatever we don't need his long term deal and he has some value right now. Try to move him along with Jefferies or someone of that nature. I think the Hawks, Heat, Cavs, Sonics all would have interest in Jamal.

Eddy will never be utlized properly so we might as well try to move him as well to some place like Atlanta.

Jamal for Kurt Thomas I think Seatte might make that deal. Kurt expires that 9 million a year off the cap next season....

Curry to the Hawks for Childress and Acie Law something along those lines. Tank the rest of the season and look to bring in derek rose take your lumps for a little while get another draft choice, let malik expire, jerome will be off the books.

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Q/Childress
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1/28/2008  10:20 AM
Posted by VDesai:

The focus on the rest of the year is deciding on whether Jamal and Nate are a viable backcourt. For the month of January they looked like one. Neither are true PG's but both are capable of filling the role. I still would add a third guard to rotate in- someone like Raja Bell would be perfect- a stout defender who can shoot the 3.

But look at Nate's A/To lately. I can tell a lot of people aren't really watching the Knicks lately (and for good reason), but Nate has been shockingly good.

You know, the current rotation of Collins/fred and Craw starting with Nate works. Nate has been doing it off the bench......yet finishing games and always out there when the Knicks are playing their best ball. Maybe that works......

I just want guys to acknowledge the fact that this isn't your Larry Brown, fighting in the shower Nate. This guy is an effiecient player. He has been ball hawkin a lot, but nobody is gonna average 5 steals a game even if they are as good a pest as Mugsy was. Not even Alvin Robertson averaged more than 3 steals.

The guy can shoot.....he is arguably the fastest player in the league period........speakin of which......anybody remember the play where Nate totally burned Stephen Jackson on his way to blowing a fast break layup? It looked fake. He blew the lay-up cuz he thought Jackson was right behind him. That dude was still trying to catch him about 5-6 steps back. He's becoming my favorite player. The guy is a ball of muscle.
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1/28/2008  10:31 AM
Nate is likely a great sixth man.
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1/28/2008  10:36 AM
I think we do have to decide what kind of team we are going to be. We look good when we have our quick guys out there cuz it fits with our Guards natural games. So do we see the team as Jamal and Nate and then everyone else falls in line behind them or do we see the team as Zach and Curry and then build it around them?

The way it looked to me last night you could make a case for the Jamal and Nate combo. Guys like Balkman, Lee, Mardy etc. work well with Jamal/Nate. We don't really have a pure point and deadeye shooters that would work well with Zach/Curry. If we look to draft a H. Thabeet type of Center, that kind of athletic shotblocker/rebounder would be a great addition to a team fashioned around Jamal/Nate. Then we can look to add a SG and hopefully develop Chandler to take over SF. I actually thought Zach looked good as the Center for us when he was out there alone with the Guards. Curry is the guy that is not in synch with the style of play the other players are best at.

I hate to say it, but I would have to go with trading Curry if you believe Nate can be a big part of our future. Yeah he's small and I personally don't like small starting PG's, but the guy is really playing well. We could get by with Mardy at the Point to start. He's starting to round into shape and I think next year with a summer when he can actually workout he could get even better. Don't forget that he had a wasted summer this year due to the surgery.
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1/28/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by VDesai:

The focus on the rest of the year is deciding on whether Jamal and Nate are a viable backcourt. For the month of January they looked like one. Neither are true PG's but both are capable of filling the role. I still would add a third guard to rotate in- someone like Raja Bell would be perfect- a stout defender who can shoot the 3.

But look at Nate's A/To lately. I can tell a lot of people aren't really watching the Knicks lately (and for good reason), but Nate has been shockingly good.

Nate is best used as a 6th man in this league, he is not a starting PG. Yes his A/TO ratio has been good but he's not a starting PG on a playoff caliber team. If you start relying on Nate to run your offense you are in trouble, it's just not the kind of player he is.
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1/28/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by VDesai:

The focus on the rest of the year is deciding on whether Jamal and Nate are a viable backcourt. For the month of January they looked like one. Neither are true PG's but both are capable of filling the role. I still would add a third guard to rotate in- someone like Raja Bell would be perfect- a stout defender who can shoot the 3.

But look at Nate's A/To lately. I can tell a lot of people aren't really watching the Knicks lately (and for good reason), but Nate has been shockingly good.

Nate is best used as a 6th man in this league, he is not a starting PG. Yes his A/TO ratio has been good but he's not a starting PG on a playoff caliber team. If you start relying on Nate to run your offense you are in trouble, it's just not the kind of player he is.


I don't understand how anyone can make a definitive statement on this. I don't quite see what's blocking Nate from being that guy. Everyone gets it done in different ways and right now Nate is a) a player that can dictate the pace of the game, b) get into the lane anytime he wants, c) create for others and d) take care of the ball. Does that sound like a PG to you? Of course. Now can he hold up? That's a major question- but it cuts both ways. I don't think anything he's done during this good screams that he can't be looked on to handle the position. You have got to let him develop and make the eval at the end of the year. For better or worse he's what we have and you've got to go with you have because there are no guarantees on anything. For this month, with consistent minutes, he's playing like a PG.
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1/28/2008  10:56 AM
Posted by martin:

Nate is just not starting PG material unless he can effectively hawk the ball full court and up his court sense. IMHO he is a great 6th man combo guard guy off the bench.


exactly... and there is no shame in that either...
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Posted by MS:

There is no need to focus on that. Crawford is never going to help the team produce wins, he still takes out of control shots that ignite fast breaks. Our focus needs to be moving guys like Jamal for draft picks or whatever we don't need his long term deal and he has some value right now. Try to move him along with Jefferies or someone of that nature. I think the Hawks, Heat, Cavs, Sonics all would have interest in Jamal.

Eddy will never be utlized properly so we might as well try to move him as well to some place like Atlanta.

Jamal for Kurt Thomas I think Seatte might make that deal. Kurt expires that 9 million a year off the cap next season....

Curry to the Hawks for Childress and Acie Law something along those lines. Tank the rest of the season and look to bring in derek rose take your lumps for a little while get another draft choice, let malik expire, jerome will be off the books.

Rose/Law
Nate/Balkman
Q/Childress
Lee/Morris
Zach

he still takes out of control shots that ignite fast breaks.

that is so overblown, what out of control shots does jamal takes that ignite fast breaks. I think you have heard that so much, you believe it, but have never witnessed that...
think the Hawks, Heat, Cavs, Sonics all would have interest in Jamal.

why? you said, we will never win with him, why would they want a guy starting fast breaks for the other team?
Eddy will never be utlized properly so we might as well try to move him as well to some place like Atlanta

LOL.. so now atlanta is your dumping ground.. hahaha.. How is it that curry will never be utilized properly, tell me, how do you utilize a center who won't defend the paint and turns the ball over way too much? How?
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1/28/2008  12:17 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think we do have to decide what kind of team we are going to be. We look good when we have our quick guys out there cuz it fits with our Guards natural games. So do we see the team as Jamal and Nate and then everyone else falls in line behind them or do we see the team as Zach and Curry and then build it around them?

The way it looked to me last night you could make a case for the Jamal and Nate combo. Guys like Balkman, Lee, Mardy etc. work well with Jamal/Nate. We don't really have a pure point and deadeye shooters that would work well with Zach/Curry. If we look to draft a H. Thabeet type of Center, that kind of athletic shotblocker/rebounder would be a great addition to a team fashioned around Jamal/Nate. Then we can look to add a SG and hopefully develop Chandler to take over SF. I actually thought Zach looked good as the Center for us when he was out there alone with the Guards. Curry is the guy that is not in synch with the style of play the other players are best at.

I hate to say it, but I would have to go with trading Curry if you believe Nate can be a big part of our future. Yeah he's small and I personally don't like small starting PG's, but the guy is really playing well. We could get by with Mardy at the Point to start. He's starting to round into shape and I think next year with a summer when he can actually workout he could get even better. Don't forget that he had a wasted summer this year due to the surgery.

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1/28/2008  12:26 PM
Well bringing in a foward that duplicates many of his skills, and not surrounding the guy with shooters is a big reason eddy has been ineffective. Granted he has been playing his way into shape. Last night was a perfect example of when you had to keep force feeding Eddy to get Biedrins out of the game.

And Atlanta has horford and smith to shore up the interior defense something the knicks don't possess. If your going to trade for a guy with flaws you have to surround him with guys that will neutralize

Jamal can't be the main guy here taking the most shots on the team. And if you don't think he is a careless shooter that forces shots I don't know who you have been watching. The Heat are desperate for talent and as a third option he would be effective, as are the cavs, and the sonics need a young guard who could be effective with the right coaching
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1/28/2008  12:27 PM
LB called him a espn highlight reel ,does that equal a starter on a team vying for a chip ?


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