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K22
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1/28/2008  12:02 AM
I'll be brief since I'm not really the type to do long-winded posts, but is this really the "Marbury Theory" showing here. With him, we were 6-18. Without him: 8-11. Now, don't get me wrong, to solely blame him just ain't right but this team does seem different w/o him around.

Question is: are we about to experience the same upswing the Wolves, the Swamprats and the Suns have had in the past? That's really not a good rep to have - even thogh a good deal of those situations were circumstantial and what-not.

You have to admit, even though (once again) this isn't ALL on Steph, the team does seem very different w/o him.
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1/28/2008  12:07 AM
I guess it probably is. Crawford seemed to hint at it when he talked about being more of a leader. Although the Knicks played .500 ball to end last season too (discluding when injuires hit), so that probably plays a factor too. This team just seems to play well when Isiah is about to be fired.

I don't expect them to play this well to begin next season. And depending on what offseason move Isiah makes they may not make the playoffs next season either.
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1/28/2008  12:11 AM
That's what makes it even worse. If these losers accepted getting blown out every night all because of 1 guy than they shouldn't even be called athletes.
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1/28/2008  12:22 AM
Posted by K22:

I'll be brief since I'm not really the type to do long-winded posts, but is this really the "Marbury Theory" showing here. With him, we were 6-18. Without him: 8-11. Now, don't get me wrong, to solely blame him just ain't right but this team does seem different w/o him around.

what that shows is that this team is still a sub .500 team no matter if Marbury's here or not... there are still big issues that need to be addressed before we can say anything has turned around, but for what it's worth this team is playing more team oriented style of ball since Marbury's been gone, which is a positive sign to see... now we need to address the team balance issue & get some defensive players in the frontcourt... then maybe we'll see some more drastic & tangible long lasting improvements

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1/28/2008  12:54 AM
Posted by K22:

I'll be brief since I'm not really the type to do long-winded posts, but is this really the "Marbury Theory" showing here. With him, we were 6-18. Without him: 8-11. Now, don't get me wrong, to solely blame him just ain't right but this team does seem different w/o him around.

Question is: are we about to experience the same upswing the Wolves, the Swamprats and the Suns have had in the past? That's really not a good rep to have - even thogh a good deal of those situations were circumstantial and what-not.

You have to admit, even though (once again) this isn't ALL on Steph, the team does seem very different w/o him.

The evidence suggests that Marbury has a negative effect on teams. It appears to have something to do with his personality.

Apparently he's talented, but not a good chemistry guy. Not a team guy. These are not good things in what is still a team sport: basketball.

But it clearly isn't all Stephon. It is also on Thomas for bringing Stephon and all the other mismatched players to NY.



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1/28/2008  6:41 AM
I wonder if the knicks brain trust have come to a similar realisation yet.
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1/28/2008  7:33 AM
Isiah made the mistake in thinking its just basketball and his legendary status/ carisma would be enough to get players to run through walls for him.

I've been on teams playing in tournaments where you suit up and just know this one guys play is gonna suck the fun and energy out of the game. If that dude dosnt show up all of a sudden we have a better game.

Marbs is that dude.

I can imagine how that would apply to a more organized setting like high school/college/pros. Can anyone that's played at those levels or coached give insight on that thought?
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1/28/2008  8:00 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Isiah made the mistake in thinking its just basketball and his legendary status/ carisma would be enough to get players to run through walls for him.

I've been on teams playing in tournaments where you suit up and just know this one guys play is gonna suck the fun and energy out of the game. If that dude dosnt show up all of a sudden we have a better game.

Marbs is that dude.

I can imagine how that would apply to a more organized setting like high school/college/pros. Can anyone that's played at those levels or coached give insight on that thought?

I think you hit it on the head. Marbury was that guy that sucked the life out of the team. No one trusted him or thought he was looking out for the best interests of the team. And yet, Marbury was the face of the franchise and the supposed leader. When the troops don't trust the leader, there are going to be problems and I think you saw that with our early season record. The players trust Crawford and trust that he is trying to do what is best for everyone, not just himself. So you get more focused and unselfish play. Guys listen to the coach and guys are following Crawford's lead. This team still has serious defensive flaws and needs to continue to develop offensively, but they are now at least all on the same page as far as what they are trying to accomplish.
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1/28/2008  9:56 AM
I played in a tounament in Riis Park once. It was just a day tourney where you were guaranteed at least 2 games. Well, we got blown out and the first game kind of Knick like. We had some good players but their were two guys that just wanted everyone to play off them. One guy was an inside guy the other was a jumpshooter. All day drive, cut give it back to them the way they like it. Anyway the big man left cuz we got beat so bad, saying he had a better touney to go to.....well we winded up beating the second team in a really good game and losing a tough 3rd elimination game against a good team.....

Long story short, guys relaxed and just started playing. We lost that block head inside guy and actually boarded better and played tougher inside. His boy was pissed at us and we were calling each other mad names but after that 3rd game, we were huggin......

Just sharing a story. I really wanna here something from some serious organized situations.
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1/28/2008  9:57 AM

Every team he left did better after the fact.

Why not us?
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1/28/2008  10:08 AM
Lets also be frank about Stephon- Stephon for the last 2 1/2 seasons wasn't the same player athletically that he used to be. He was an automatic finisher at the basket his first 2 years here and that part of his game seemed to dissapear. He used to be unguardable one on one in terms of getting into the lane and that went away too. His game didn't have the same agressiveness or explosion. Athletically, IMO he became a shell of his former self.

His absence from the team IMO is as much about taking away what became an ineffective on the court guy as much as it was chemsitry. He just wasn't bringing it the same way.
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1/28/2008  11:40 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Lets also be frank about Stephon- Stephon for the last 2 1/2 seasons wasn't the same player athletically that he used to be. He was an automatic finisher at the basket his first 2 years here and that part of his game seemed to dissapear. He used to be unguardable one on one in terms of getting into the lane and that went away too. His game didn't have the same agressiveness or explosion. Athletically, IMO he became a shell of his former self.

His absence from the team IMO is as much about taking away what became an ineffective on the court guy as much as it was chemsitry. He just wasn't bringing it the same way.
You can say same about Q - he is not himself. And Eddy - he never was himself.
Not talking about Jeffries, Jerom, and Malik, who never were anybody from the beginning of their NY journey.
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1/29/2008  11:20 AM
So Dinglebury is the Anti-Christ? OK....I will buy that.
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