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misterearl
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1/27/2008  11:12 AM
Turnovers have been the worst enemy of the offense. Will Crawford make the best pass in each situation? No. Old habits die hard. But something is happening on the court worth noting...

Jamal is keeping his head up. His playing attitude, warts and all, is a far cry from waiting for a look that never comes. Just a look. By contrast, number 11 is advancing the ball effectively, while sharing the ball in the first quarter, to allow the all-important communal touching of the baksetball allow his mates to "feel" involved.

Result?

Trust.

By-product? The ball seems to move better as players intuitively look for each other. The balance across the scoring stats is spread with six guys approaching double figures on a regular basis as the increase in assists is measurable. Heck, even Quentin Richardson is not an automatic brick, and that fact alone is a significant improvement over his 26 per cent shooting in 2007. Suddenly, the first quarter has rhythm.

So, before anyone gets carried away with the hint of a suugestion of a ticker-tape parade...this thesis suggests that the recent unselfish style of play is a good thing. The idea of "looking out" for each other, is contagious.

These work-in-progress Knicks are simply dribbling less and, as a result, enjoy playing basketball a little bit more

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1/27/2008  11:25 AM
Craf AS/TO last 7 games

5/1 - W
4/4 - W
8/1 - W
4/4 - L
5/3 - W
5/2 - L
5/1 - W
Avarage: 5.1/3.2 and this is best streach of Knicks bbol this year.

Craf is not a PG and will never be one.

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1/27/2008  11:35 AM
arkrud - nice try as usual.

Red Auerbach detested segregating basketball positions into categories such as Point Guard, Power Forward... Small Forward...etc. He once said, "I don't care about positions, I just want basketball players"
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1/27/2008  11:57 AM
The absence of Marbury is helping a lot more than I ever imagined it would. Also helps that Nate is learning how to play point.

But seeing that we are much easier to watch when Craw is playing like half a PG, just imagine if we had a guy who was a real pass first PG playing next to him instead of Jones (a nice plater btw, I'm one of the few that seem to like him around here.)
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/27/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - nice try as usual.

Red Auerbach detested segregating basketball positions into categories such as Point Guard, Power Forward... Small Forward...etc. He once said, "I don't care about positions, I just want basketball players"

Red Auerbach... Isiah...
Not two names to mention on one sentence.
And by the way you said "work in progress team"...
It's already 5 years of work in progress and where is the progress?



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1/27/2008  1:24 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - nice try as usual.

Red Auerbach detested segregating basketball positions into categories such as Point Guard, Power Forward... Small Forward...etc. He once said, "I don't care about positions, I just want basketball players"

Red Auerbach... Isiah...
Not two names to mention on one sentence.
And by the way you said "work in progress team"...
It's already 5 years of work in progress and where is the progress?

Where did he mention that?
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1/27/2008  1:39 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - nice try as usual.

Red Auerbach detested segregating basketball positions into categories such as Point Guard, Power Forward... Small Forward...etc. He once said, "I don't care about positions, I just want basketball players"

Red Auerbach... Isiah...
Not two names to mention on one sentence.
And by the way you said "work in progress team"...
It's already 5 years of work in progress and where is the progress?

Now you know that THIS GROUP hasn't been together for 5 years, so why try to make it seem like it's been the same team all this time? This group starts with the arrival of Curry. The futility of the franchise is one thing. If that's what we're talking about then why not go all the way back to the Layden era as well? I like to live in the present myself. This team isn't old and washed up with no future. We still have a very real chance to continue to improve the players we have and add to this group to reach our higher goal.

I think it's fine to be honest about the awful results the team has had, but let's not be so cynical that we refuse to acknowledge any positives about some of the players we have. I'm hopeful that this trend will continue and that we can move forward and add the players we need to some of the ones we already have who are improving or have shown themselves to be good players. If the team can continue to play together and get better why shouldn't we be happy about that? Isn't that what we wanted to see at the start of the season?

What i'm seeing is that the team is much more free flowing and active. They're sharing the ball and not being selfish. They're paying more attention on D and although they may not always stop teams, they're at least putting in the effort. You have to start somewhere and maybe now we can build on this for the future. It's good for guys like Balk, Mardy and Chan who were IMO negatively effected by the poor play and drama earlier at the start of the season.
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1/27/2008  2:03 PM
Layden was bad, IT arguably worse. Even if you think they are equally terrible, then ok, make 9-10 years of no progress. Happy?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/27/2008  2:28 PM
nix, layden did indeed do a terrible job and should have been canned earlier than he was, regardless of how long his group had been together at the time he was fired or what small improvements may have been exhibited in any of their games prior to his dismissal.

the same goes imo for isiah. he has been equally if not more abysmal as layden and should not be kept on regardless of how long his current group has been together or what small improvements they may be exhibiting at this particular moment in time.
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1/27/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by Marv:

nix, layden did indeed do a terrible job and should have been canned earlier than he was, regardless of how long his group had been together at the time he was fired or what small improvements may have been exhibited in any of their games prior to his dismissal.

the same goes imo for isiah. he has been equally if not more abysmal as layden and should not be kept on regardless of how long his current group has been together or what small improvements they may be exhibiting at this particular moment in time.

This is true but why use so many words.
Both just suck plain and simple. So is the owner who hired them and kept them for so long.




[Edited by - arkrud on 01-27-2008 2:41 PM]
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1/27/2008  2:42 PM
while watching Howard dominate against the Celtics I am reminded of what Isiah stated after he made the Steph trade:

"we've looked at the draft and felt there was nobody in it better than Steph"

what vision...
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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1/27/2008  3:30 PM
All of this talk about the awful situation this team has been in, has nothing to do with taking note of what the players are doing now or what we have to do for the future success of the team, which is the whole point of this thread
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1/27/2008  3:35 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Craf AS/TO last 7 games

5/1 - W
4/4 - W
8/1 - W
4/4 - L
5/3 - W
5/2 - L
5/1 - W
Avarage: 5.1/3.2 and this is best streach of Knicks bbol this year.

Craf is not a PG and will never be one.

the team's won 5 of those 7 games w/him as the starting PG... something must be clicking better, whether it's the absence of Sourbury, the newfound trust in Jamal, Nate's emergence, or just blind luck... whatever it is, if the trend continues i don't see why having Jamal starting at PG would be a problem.
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1/27/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Turnovers have been the worst enemy of the offense. Will Crawford make the best pass in each situation? No. Old habits die hard. But something is happening on the court worth noting...

Jamal is keeping his head up. His playing attitude, warts and all, is a far cry from waiting for a look that never comes. Just a look. By contrast, number 11 is advancing the ball effectively, while sharing the ball in the first quarter, to allow the all-important communal touching of the baksetball allow his mates to "feel" involved.

Result?

Trust.

By-product? The ball seems to move better as players intuitively look for each other. The balance across the scoring stats is spread with six guys approaching double figures on a regular basis as the increase in assists is measurable. Heck, even Quentin Richardson is not an automatic brick, and that fact alone is a significant improvement over his 26 per cent shooting in 2007. Suddenly, the first quarter has rhythm.

So, before anyone gets carried away with the hint of a suugestion of a ticker-tape parade...this thesis suggests that the recent unselfish style of play is a good thing. The idea of "looking out" for each other, is contagious.

These work-in-progress Knicks are simply dribbling less and, as a result, enjoy playing basketball a little bit more

What's the difference when Isiah said that most of these guys won't even be here in the foreseeable future?
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1/27/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - nice try as usual.

Red Auerbach detested segregating basketball positions into categories such as Point Guard, Power Forward... Small Forward...etc. He once said, "I don't care about positions, I just want basketball players"

Leave it to a non-Knicks fan to use a Celtics coach's ideology as the standard for how basketball should be.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/27/2008  4:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:

All of this talk about the awful situation this team has been in, has nothing to do with taking note of what the players are doing now or what we have to do for the future success of the team, which is the whole point of this thread

nixluva - thank you.

Watching the Knicks one game at a time is an impossible task for a who take pride in their ability as "one-trick cows" to regurgitate the same sour cud they chew on each and every day.

Actually, its quite flattering that the instant something bordering on actual Knicks basketball discussion appears, the need to spit on a different opinion is so overwhelming that some can't help themselves. All they care about is the fact the Knicks suck and will always suck, no matter what the subtle evidence shows. All I suggested was that the slow starts have become less a problem with Jamal handling the pill. Nothing else.

How it turned into an instant referendum on Knicks management is beyond me. Just for a moment, I'd invite everyone to watch a game for its detail and nuance. Win or lose. Are players sharing the rock? Are shots being contested with more desire on the defensive end? Can the Knicks withstand a run by the opponent and how do they answer a challenge?

Then again, yet another thread can certainly use another re-rehashing of negative Knicks history since 1973. Pardon us few as we tune in and watch just one game at a time without the daily rancor.

Not everyone hates the Knicks each and every day of the week, 24 hours a day.



[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 4:42 PM]
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1/27/2008  5:32 PM
Posted by misterearl:


Then again, yet another thread can certainly use another re-rehashing of negative Knicks history since 1973. Pardon us few as we tune in and watch just one game at a time without the daily rancor.

Not everyone hates the Knicks each and every day of the week, 24 hours a day.



[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 4:42 PM]

help yourself. some of us have concluded that isiah only knows how to make the same mistakes over and over again and that this roster needs to be turned over and the keys to the franchise handed over to someone else before their yearly hot stretch leads to anything more than yet another installment in the groundhog day new york knick 30-win series.
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1/27/2008  5:38 PM
Marv - All I suggested was that the slow starts have become less a problem with Jamal handling the pill.

What does that hafta do with turning over the entire roster and front office?
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1/27/2008  5:40 PM
Hope is watching the Knicks one game at a time.

Marv - If you have given up hope, koo'.

I'm not into changing your opinion any more than you should be about trying to pry my precious Richie Guerin/Marcus Camby Sheik Towel from my cold, dead fingers.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 5:44 PM]
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