I remember when The Clippers were the punchline in everyone's joke. Times have changed. The only difference is the Knicks over the past few years have become a horrible team. The Clippers were always an always will be a horrible team.

What does Dunleavy expect - he signed a contract for close to 6 million a year- just to coach-talk about being over-paid for a guy who doesn't have a career winnng record!! He is 152/176 over the 4 years he has been with that team.

A team that has Elton brand/Chris Kaman/Corey Mageete/Cat Mobley, Cassell (had Chris Wilcox /Ely/ Matt Barnes/Kenyon Dooling). If he had just kept his roster - he wouls have more talent then the Lakers!!

The guy is a loser and classless- always has been- from Portland onwards. When you have that much talent - way more than the Knicks - don't make good decisions on who to keep and then find yourself 12-25 (even though Sam Cassell can still score 30 -as he did recently)

Why bring up the Knicks - they didn't have an Elton Brand/Corey Maggete/Chris Kaman to build on in 2004. They didn't have a roster of first rounders with talent like Ely and Wilcox. This is becoming a trend now- coaches are becoming crybabies and blaming 'other' people - take responsibility man-you are paid more than the GM of the Knicks just to coach and had a ton of talent - and made the playoffs only once- and now your team sux. Whose fault is that - yeah I know someone else's- not yours!!

I aam not bashing him- I am simply posting his record, the talent he had to work with, and most importantly that for being paid 6M a year to JUST coach - he wants to complain -that trading Terry for Maggette made his whole season go down the toilet. I mean thinnk abot that - Terry for Maggette - that one non-deal makes you a 12/25 team.
Who is ridiculous in this- !! I really must stop being surprised at the ability of the masses to swallow endless tripe and then even go onto defend the tripe with out thinking it through.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

I aam not bashing him- I am simply posting his record, the talent he had to work with, and most importantly that for being paid 6M a year to JUST coach - he wants to complain -that trading Terry for Maggette made his whole season go down the toilet. I mean thinnk abot that - Terry for Maggette - that one non-deal makes you a 12/25 team.
Who is ridiculous in this- !! I really must stop being surprised at the ability of the masses to swallow endless tripe and then even go onto defend the tripe with out thinking it through.

The guy is a loser and classless- always has been- from Portland onwards.

You were saying?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

I aam not bashing him- I am simply posting his record, the talent he had to work with, and most importantly that for being paid 6M a year to JUST coach - he wants to complain -that trading Terry for Maggette made his whole season go down the toilet. I mean thinnk abot that - Terry for Maggette - that one non-deal makes you a 12/25 team.
Who is ridiculous in this- !! I really must stop being surprised at the ability of the masses to swallow endless tripe and then even go onto defend the tripe with out thinking it through.

The guy is a loser and classless- always has been- from Portland onwards.

You were saying?

Someone else did similar in denials.


I applaud Dunleavy for calling out the owner and holding him accountable considering the circumstances and things he's tried to do to help make the team better. Sterling has a hard on for Maggette and ultimately this is what all the fuss is over. MD doesn't like Maggette, Maggette doesn't like him and Sterling is pissed at MD over this situation because he views Maggette as a son, so much has said so. It's very similar to LB/Steph/I SAY UGH situation.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-23-2008 2:35 PM]

and we all know when it comes to basketball, sterling is a world class idiot owner.....

Posted by iyamwutiam:

What does Dunleavy expect - he signed a contract for close to 6 million a year- just to coach-talk about being over-paid for a guy who doesn't have a career winnng record!! He is 152/176 over the 4 years he has been with that team.

A team that has Elton brand/Chris Kaman/Corey Mageete/Cat Mobley, Cassell (had Chris Wilcox /Ely/ Matt Barnes/Kenyon Dooling). If he had just kept his roster - he wouls have more talent then the Lakers!!

The guy is a loser and classless- always has been- from Portland onwards. When you have that much talent - way more than the Knicks - don't make good decisions on who to keep and then find yourself 12-25 (even though Sam Cassell can still score 30 -as he did recently)

Why bring up the Knicks - they didn't have an Elton Brand/Corey Maggete/Chris Kaman to build on in 2004. They didn't have a roster of first rounders with talent like Ely and Wilcox. This is becoming a trend now- coaches are becoming crybabies and blaming 'other' people - take responsibility man-you are paid more than the GM of the Knicks just to coach and had a ton of talent - and made the playoffs only once- and now your team sux. Whose fault is that - yeah I know someone else's- not yours!!

This sound awfully similar to the guy currently running an NY basketball team.

Anyway- other than the classless piece- I would still like anyone to answer why Dunleavy should get any sympathy for having a team that has Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Corey Maggete, Cuttino Mobley, Sam Cassel - a team that had Ely, Wilcox, Matt Barnes, Dooling etc- and being one of the five highest pad coaches in basketball- to complian that a Terry for Maggette deal -is the main reason this team is 12-25.

I just don't see it - he won 47 games with this team -went to the playoffs. In addition - Elton Brand and Cris Kaman -are bonafide big men you can build your team around and its not like Mobley and Cassel are scrubs.

Thats all- he has basically had these guys for a few years and had actually much more talent on the team when he started than now. I seriously doubt Sterling is behind it- since with Elton brand and Maggettee are the only players he ever felt were worth max money - and he is right - he refused to pay Danny Manning and many others max contracts and in each case he was right.

The main point is that team when he took over had waaaay more talent hen the Knicks ever did from 2003 till today. With Barnes, Ely, Wilcox, Maggette, Dooling, in addition to the starters - he should have gone to the playoffs every year - when you consider what the Lakers have done with far less talent. Quite frankly -- Sterling is right - he gave the guy 4 years, talent and made himone of the highest paid coaches in the NBA -despite having a LOSING record during his tenure with the Clippers. I don't think its unreasonbale for Sterling to say this- and i do think its unreasonable to say that just because you didn't make the Terry for Maggette trade - you have the worst record in your conference.

your prolly right - atleast 90 of 98. What does Mike Dunleavy may be what he is -mean excatly? Does it mean - he did have way more talent than the knicks since day 1 ? Does it confirm that very few coaches become the top 5 paid coaches in the NBA for actually losing more than winning? Does it mean that trading Terry (much bigger contract) fro Maggette would have gotten this team into the second round?

I have made my points on Isih -as you know - so at some point I have to stop. If no one wants to take in to consideration practical arguments then so be it.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Anyway- other than the classless piece- I would still like anyone to answer why Dunleavy should get any sympathy for having a team that has Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Corey Maggete, Cuttino Mobley, Sam Cassel - a team that had Ely, Wilcox, Matt Barnes, Dooling etc- and being one of the five highest pad coaches in basketball- to complian that a Terry for Maggette deal -is the main reason this team is 12-25.

I just don't see it - he won 47 games with this team -went to the playoffs. In addition - Elton Brand and Cris Kaman -are bonafide big men you can build your team around and its not like Mobley and Cassel are scrubs.

Thats all- he has basically had these guys for a few years and had actually much more talent on the team when he started than now. I seriously doubt Sterling is behind it- since with Elton brand and Maggettee are the only players he ever felt were worth max money - and he is right - he refused to pay Danny Manning and many others max contracts and in each case he was right.

The main point is that team when he took over had waaaay more talent hen the Knicks ever did from 2003 till today. With Barnes, Ely, Wilcox, Maggette, Dooling, in addition to the starters - he should have gone to the playoffs every year - when you consider what the Lakers have done with far less talent. Quite frankly -- Sterling is right - he gave the guy 4 years, talent and made himone of the highest paid coaches in the NBA -despite having a LOSING record during his tenure with the Clippers. I don't think its unreasonbale for Sterling to say this- and i do think its unreasonable to say that just because you didn't make the Terry for Maggette trade - you have the worst record in your conference.

He didn't say the Terry/Maggette deal was the main reason, stop sensationalizing. He's pointing out the fact the team hasn't improved because potential moves have been hindered by the owner's persistent to not give him the leeway to upgrade the roster. I SAY UGH has unlimited or let's say had unlimited freedom to bolster the Knicks roster. Sterling also nixed Maggette for Artest deal 2yrs ago. Elton Brand, Livingston, SS LL are huge injuries to a team that has very little quality depth. Nevertheless Sterling is giving MD an ultimatum, where's I SAY UGH'S?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-23-2008 5:12 PM]