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VDesai
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1/17/2008  9:37 AM
Nate's A/TO is 3.875 to 1. In 2005 it was 1.25 to 1 and in 2006 it was 1.27 to 1.

Jamal Crawford is shooting 47.9% for January. His best month as a Knick so far, and best month since those halcyon days at the end of Larry Brown's regime.

Both are probably playing the best ball of their careers right now. Lack of Marbury help? Probably.

So what does this mean? Yes, we need a top pick to get better. But we also need some of our own players to get better to. Either to A) be a piece of the puzzle for our team or B) to be a valuable chip to acquire someone we need.
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1/17/2008  9:54 AM
It's interesting when you think about Jamal. I mentioned last night in one thread(I don't recall which) that Jamal's play certainly must have to do with Marbury being out. For some reason I think Jamal feels like he has to play a better all around game when he's the top dawg in the backcourt. I always thought that Jamal played the best ball of his career under Larry (sorry oohah I know you disagree with that) Jamal was a better facilitator and that seemed to have a very positive effect on his shot selection and all around game and it showed in his stats and just the way he was playing on the court. I think Jamal has played the same way these past few games. Coincidence that Marbury is not playing again? I think not.

Heres the other side of the coin though. We've seen Jamal go on these stretches before and we've seen him cool off and be the exact opposite player. Personally, as long as Marbury is out I think Jamal plays pretty close to this level for the duration.
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1/17/2008  10:02 AM
NYK, I think Jamal thrives on having the ball in his hands and taking responsibility to create. With Marbury in the lineup he's asked to shoot, and that in effect reduces the discipline in his game.

I agree that Jamal is streaky and we never really know when he has turned it around, but his True Shooting % has increased significantly- just take a look at who's behind him:

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2008/jh_ALL_TSP.htm

Could he stand to be better? Of course. But he's doing about as well as he can do right now- True Shooting % for January (9 games) is .614, which is pretty elite. So while he's on a scoring binge right now the big thing is he is doing it efficiently.
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1/17/2008  11:04 AM
Jamal & Nate are both playing awesome of late... it's great to see... & i also don't think it's a coincidence that Marbury's out at the same time... the team seems to play w/just a different type of energy & confidence when Marbury's not there... the guy is like a sponge that saps any positive energy out of any franchise he goes to.
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1/17/2008  11:10 AM
I think that we need to trade Jamal while his value is high. The guy's too inconsistent for me. Now I don't want an Isiah trade, I want a good trade.

The Knicks are in a pickle right now:
- Jamal only does well when he's the main guy
- We all agree that eventually we will need a guy much better than Jamal to be the main guy (Beasley, Rose)

So Jamal won't be good anymore.
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1/17/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by metra:

I think that we need to trade Jamal while his value is high. The guy's too inconsistent for me. Now I don't want an Isiah trade, I want a good trade.

The Knicks are in a pickle right now:
- Jamal only does well when he's the main guy
- We all agree that eventually we will need a guy much better than Jamal to be the main guy (Beasley, Rose)

So Jamal won't be good anymore.


It comes down to this- will he have done enough by February to warrant a team giving up some cap relief and picks for him? Or is it better to wait this year out and see how well he can play. I'd be willing to bet he'll play pretty well for the duration that Marbury is out.
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1/17/2008  11:30 AM
unless Isiah gets canned i don't see him trading Jamal right now, unless of course he's getting a legit franchise guy who he can't pass up on obviously.
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1/17/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by TMS:

unless Isiah gets canned i don't see him trading Jamal right now, unless of course he's getting a legit franchise guy who he can't pass up on obviously.

I hope Dolan has the cuffs on isiah the fantasy b ball gm- because crawful for artest works out to your parameters- and I'd rather not see that happen.

This is why Dolan needs a new GM now- there might be a team in the play off race desperate to give up something decent (ending/shorter deal & 2 future first rounders?)

But Isiah can't get that deal, because the league knows you can rip him off in any trade.
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1/17/2008  12:40 PM
Bottom line.......these guys are carrying our team.

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1/17/2008  12:59 PM
Swiped this stat from a poster over at Knickerblogger named Ben R:

Crawford's Stats

In 24 games with Marbury:

17.3 pts 51.9% TS%

In 13 games without Marbury:

24.2 pts 56.2% TS%


[Edited by - vdesai on 01-17-2008 12:59 PM]
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1/17/2008  1:00 PM
I'd love to see if we could work Mardy in again. He seemed like such a good fit next to Jamal and Nate. He plays D, moves the ball and doesn't need shots.

Though Fred Jones is filling that role nicely at the moment.

I hope Nate and Jamal can keep it up... they're definitely carrying the team.
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1/17/2008  1:17 PM
i think Fred Jones has been a much better fit for this team than i thought he'd be... i like his energy & the way he plays defense... he's a good chemistry guy to have on your roster from what i've seen... i would so much like to see Marbury given his walking papers & told to just get the surgery & take the rest of the year off & let Nate, Jones & Mardy get some playing time going forward.
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1/17/2008  1:19 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Swiped this stat from a poster over at Knickerblogger named Ben R:

Crawford's Stats

In 24 games with Marbury:

17.3 pts 51.9% TS%

In 13 games without Marbury:

24.2 pts 56.2% TS%


[Edited by - vdesai on 01-17-2008 12:59 PM]

wow, those are some stark facts fo yo azz... i think it's pretty clear that Jamal's a much better player w/o having to share the backcourt w/Marbury... now if we could only get some defensive players to play w/Jamal back there this might actually become a better TEAM.
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1/17/2008  5:22 PM
I would like to see us acquire a nice PG in next years draft and some defensive SG and have Crawford come off the bench to back up both PG and SG positions.
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1/17/2008  11:44 PM
Big Nate averages since the last time Isiah gave him a DNP for no reason:

16pts/4ast/3rebs/48% fg/45% 3pt/ 29 mins

Compare that to Fagbury's stats from when he came back from mourning (6 games)

14pts/4asts/3rebs/42% fg/34% 3pt/ 38 mins

If you project Nates stats to go with the minutes Marbury enjoyed during this span (38 mins), Nates numbers look like this:

20pts/about 4 asts/ about 4 rebs....with similiar percentages

The last three games...all wins....Nate averaged 25 minutes, while putting up the numbers I posted above.

So Why isn't Nate starting.....you can't say that the Knicks benifit with him on the bench anymore that was the past......this year the Knicks seem to play well with him on the court. As always his 5'9" stature is irrelevant only to Isiah and Chris Rock(he kinda blasted Nate cuz of his height on defense, FYI Chris Rock represents all the know it all sports fans that don't know ****)

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1/17/2008  11:57 PM
Craw has been averaging 25pts per game with beautiful percentages over the last 6 games....

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1/18/2008  9:13 AM
It seems to me that Jamal has been growing as a person but especially when he's given the ball and told to step up. Yes he's been streaky in his career, but I think it's all mental with him and that he needs to be given greater responsibility so that he will stay FOCUSED. The guy tends to go brain dead when he's not asked to be the floor leader. I think he can be more consistent in this role. For one thing he's taking much better shots now. Those curls that all of a sudden Isiah has been running more often are one of reasons he's been more efficient. It's that Rip Hamilton offense we've all been wanting to see. Jamal and Nate are GREAT coming off the curl. Then once they're confident you know they're gonna hit their 3's. So I say at this point don't bring Steph back again. Let him have his surgery and then let him go and just let his salary come off the books. His time has come and gone and sadly he never took advantage of his return home.
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1/18/2008  9:35 AM
Posted by nixluva:

It seems to me that Jamal has been growing as a person but especially when he's given the ball and told to step up. Yes he's been streaky in his career, but I think it's all mental with him and that he needs to be given greater responsibility so that he will stay FOCUSED. The guy tends to go brain dead when he's not asked to be the floor leader. I think he can be more consistent in this role. For one thing he's taking much better shots now. Those curls that all of a sudden Isiah has been running more often are one of reasons he's been more efficient. It's that Rip Hamilton offense we've all been wanting to see. Jamal and Nate are GREAT coming off the curl. Then once they're confident you know they're gonna hit their 3's. So I say at this point don't bring Steph back again. Let him have his surgery and then let him go and just let his salary come off the books. His time has come and gone and sadly he never took advantage of his return home.

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1/18/2008  9:36 AM
one can only hope Jamal can one day be as good as Linas Kleiza.
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