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1/8/2008  9:47 PM
Crawford Crossover in Chicago


If it doesnt stream...just download it and play it.


Nice play.

[Edited by - cosmic on 01-08-2008 10:31 PM]
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1/8/2008  10:05 PM
same exact move he made before......what a dope move. I don't think I ever saw anyone do that.
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1/8/2008  10:07 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

same exact move he made before......what a dope move. I don't think I ever saw anyone do that.

You haven't seen anyone travel before?
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1/8/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

same exact move he made before......what a dope move. I don't think I ever saw anyone do that.

You haven't seen anyone travel before?

You know, I feel the same way, but he made that move before and it wasn't a travel, so maybe it isn't.
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1/8/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

same exact move he made before......what a dope move. I don't think I ever saw anyone do that.

You haven't seen anyone travel before?

The move is definitely borderline traveling because he steps 1 2 then shoots after he picks up the ball. As I told TKF back during the Utah game Jamal pulling off these kind of moves 1 every 20gms is the worst thing that could happen for Jamal. He'll never grow out of it. It's sad really.
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1/8/2008  10:15 PM
You are allow to do one hop step. Back in the days Dominique use to do two hop steps and Kwing you use 3 steps of his drive to the hole sometimes.

[Edited by - BigC on 01-08-2008 10:26 PM]
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1/8/2008  10:25 PM
Posted by BigC:

You are allow to do one hop step. Back in the days Dominique use to do two hop steps and Kwing you use 3 steps of his drive to he hole sometimes.

Yup.....

you are also allowed to make a power dribble.....which is basically double dribbling just before you take your two steps before you take off.....shaq does it.....I've seen marbs do it. K-mart......mostly bigmen, except curry.
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1/8/2008  10:38 PM
Heres another craw crossover from an older game against the bulls



Here is Nate making Calderon fall down

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1/8/2008  11:15 PM
Crawford likes that move alot............ I like to see him do it too.
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1/8/2008  11:27 PM
I love when JC does moves like that
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1/9/2008  7:39 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Crawford Crossover in Chicago


If it doesnt stream...just download it and play it.


Nice play.

[Edited by - cosmic on 01-08-2008 10:31 PM]

the best part of that clip was Clyde's play by play

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1/9/2008  9:27 AM
God you are such a bitter dude......... why would name the clip Crawful??? LOL
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1/9/2008  9:48 AM
It's all depends on the perception of the game.
Is it a competition to win?
Is it a show to bring excitement regardless of the win/lose?

People need different things and Craf is the maestro of bbal entertainment.
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1/9/2008  9:56 AM
Posted by Anji:

God you are such a bitter dude......... why would name the clip Crawful??? LOL

Because he's an awful basketball player perhaps?

Really, he's not very good at all. It was a nice move, I offered it to fans because I care, and in that I get to take a sarcastic jab at Crawful and his bulletproof supporters.

In reality, he's a poor player who costs us about 3 times for every 1 time he saves us. In that, being a KNICK fan, I don't like Crawful the PLAYER.

Crawford the Kid? Great kid, seems to be a great family, I have no PERSONAL ill will towards him.

As a player when he goes 6-29 with 7 TOs and we get blown out? Yeah, I don't like him.


Not sure why I have to keep explaining the difference between feelings towards players versus the people they are off the court...but I guess I do.

Take it for what it's worth. Nice play by a highly streaky player who causes far more problems than he solves. We're 9-24. I'm not exactly happy.
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1/9/2008  10:01 AM
Cos, ur free to have ur opinions about the guy & i respect them, but u shouldn't ridicule those who see the positives that Jamal brings to the table... no one's making any out of left field comments about the guy... we all know his shortcomings, but we also recognize the things he does well, which is scoring the rock & creating his own shot when everything else breaks down.
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1/9/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by TMS:

Cos, ur free to have ur opinions about the guy & i respect them, but u shouldn't ridicule those who see the positives that Jamal brings to the table... no one's making any out of left field comments about the guy... we all know his shortcomings, but we also recognize the things he does well, which is scoring the rock & creating his own shot when everything else breaks down.

Great characteristics of a sixth man.
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1/9/2008  12:46 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by TMS:

Cos, ur free to have ur opinions about the guy & i respect them, but u shouldn't ridicule those who see the positives that Jamal brings to the table... no one's making any out of left field comments about the guy... we all know his shortcomings, but we also recognize the things he does well, which is scoring the rock & creating his own shot when everything else breaks down.

Great characteristics of a sixth man.

That's right. Too bad we have a team full of sixth men, but no starters.
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1/9/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by TMS:

Cos, ur free to have ur opinions about the guy & i respect them, but u shouldn't ridicule those who see the positives that Jamal brings to the table... no one's making any out of left field comments about the guy... we all know his shortcomings, but we also recognize the things he does well, which is scoring the rock & creating his own shot when everything else breaks down.

Great characteristics of a sixth man.

i have no problem making Jamal a 6th man as soon as you bring in a guy who's a better option as our starting SG.
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1/9/2008  5:32 PM
Posted by TMS:

Cos, ur free to have ur opinions about the guy & i respect them, but u shouldn't ridicule those who see the positives that Jamal brings to the table... no one's making any out of left field comments about the guy... we all know his shortcomings, but we also recognize the things he does well, which is scoring the rock & creating his own shot when everything else breaks down.

I don't seek to ridicule anyone.

It's just a matter of debate. Some see Crawford as instrumental in any success we've had and any potential future success.

I see a player who for whatever reason has been given the keys to teams he plays on and as a result puts up meaningful games about 1 out of 4 times. To me, 25%, won't cut it especially when that player is handling the ball and shooting the ball more than the majority of the team.

Just not a good formula to try to win by. If we're counting on Crawford for success our success rate will equal his. Somewhere between .250 and .333 - incidentally our records have mirrored his overall success (In terms of what you would deem an efficient game such as last nights for example versus a poor game during a loss which are too many to mention).

Just not a good idea. That's why I wonder why so many people adore him and go bonkers when he does a little and-1 trick.

I'll give you an example. I think it was two years ago: Crawford did a tremendous crossover and then bricked an 18 foot fadeaway. The garden crowd screamed "OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" when he did the crossover but there was no reaction to the miss. The opponent took the ball on a fast break and scored quickly. The garden? Still abuzz over the crossover. Message boards? Lit up with "My god did you see that crossover!!!!????" Everyone wanted the video of it. I had already deleted it since he missed the shot (back when I used to record individual plays)

That day was a moment when I woke up about Crawford and those that really like him as a PLAYER. I realized he's crap, our team was crap, and he was shooting the most and handling the ball more than anyone. Didn't take long to put it together really that he's a problem far more often than a solution.

I get on Crawford fans because of that mentality: Who cares if he bricked the shot or we lost the game did YOU SEE that MOVE!? *drool*



20-25 minutes off the bench, under Larry Brown's rules of restraint? Fine.......... but that's not the case is it?




Okay, /rant....as I guess by now you and others know where I'm coming from regarding Jamal Crawford and what he means to the Knicks.
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1/9/2008  5:51 PM
Crawford's PER rating marks him as right around average. He isn't 'Crawful'. Only our SFs are (Q and JJ have a PER around 6.5)

Don't kill Crawford for this season.
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