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1/7/2008  10:31 PM
Seriously, I think the team is pretty much unwatchable. They don't seem to have any understanding on how to win. Like so many bad teams, they get so excited cutting the lead down to like 8 points in the 4th quarter like they've achieved something.

It's really sad to see this once proud franchise in shambles.
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1/8/2008  12:04 AM
The Knicks have been unwatchable since the day Jeff Van Gundy walked out the door.
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1/8/2008  7:35 AM
I can watch them because I am a fan and have league pass and can actually watch good teams play.

can this roster be turned into a winner? no. there might be 4-5 guys I would want to keep. and the bad contracts (zach, jj1, jj2, Q) that coupled with bad players (marbury. crawford, curry) means we're stuck wuth crap for a while...
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1/8/2008  7:52 AM
How bout the Knicks have been down hill since they fired Grunfeld.......Van Gundy was lucky they kept him instead of Grunfeld, cuz it was Grunfelds players that took him to the finals. Holla if you hear me!

If Grunfeld stayed and continued to build around Camby and some of those guys.....who knows?
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1/8/2008  8:40 AM

this team went out the door when Marbury came in.
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1/8/2008  8:41 AM
Eny you know that is the truth !

People give vandummy so much freakin credit it's unbelievable.

All the hot coaches have jobs now, why is he still hugging a tree?

Grunfeld as a gm still has a job with an NBA organization while vandummy has a announcing job on pass NYKnicks reputation.
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1/8/2008  9:16 AM
I think Van Gundy is a very good coach. He is excellent at getting the most out of his players. He took the Rockets to the playoffs with an oft-injured Mcgrady and softee Yao Ming. I would take Van Gundy back in a heart beat.
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1/8/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by Cousinjoey:

I think Van Gundy is a very good coach. He is excellent at getting the most out of his players. He took the Rockets to the playoffs with an oft-injured Mcgrady and softee Yao Ming. I would take Van Gundy back in a heart beat.

What kind of coach is he though ?

defensive only, not a head coach his overall scheme IMHO= an assistant

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1/8/2008  12:13 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Cousinjoey:

I think Van Gundy is a very good coach. He is excellent at getting the most out of his players. He took the Rockets to the playoffs with an oft-injured Mcgrady and softee Yao Ming. I would take Van Gundy back in a heart beat.

What kind of coach is he though ?

defensive only, not a head coach his overall scheme IMHO= an assistant

agreed- I got tired of watching games where the score was 83 to 78. He did the same thing with Houston, and the NBA is not heading in that direction.

Grunfeld would have done a great job if he had been kept and allowed to work with things as he saw fit.

We can talk about Camby being fragile- don't know if the change of scenery has helped or if he has reached a point in his career where he is finally injury free.

And had Nene been the pick, we sure could have traded him for something better than McKnee in 2-3 years.
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1/8/2008  1:17 PM
The second mistake was signing Houston to that huge contract. The guy deserved a contract but what was the point of crowning him King? A decision had to be made. Going with Houston was fine but I think Houston would have understood if the Knicks gave him 15-20 mil less off the total amount he got. Ok so then Spree had to be traded and flaws needed to be fix on the roster. That never happened. Eventually age, injury, and just frustration boiled over.

What the hell was Layden thinking with that ewing trade? The Knicks could have done better than that. None of the players he got stuck. Glen Rice? With spree and Houston? Wha?

The dyess trade? Wha? How do you base the franchise hoping Dyess could come back from major injury and put up 20/12?

The post Grunfeld years were crazy.

Isiah has been just following tradition.

Thing with Isiah is he can single handedly grab the team by the balls and fix things. He is just delusional at this time. I dunno if its pride or what.......

If isiah had a pre-game press conference saying that the Knicks are gonna look to the 2008 draft and try to get it right over the next few years......he would get mucho respect.

DNP'ing Marbs, trading Zach, waiving Jerome James. Waiving Fred Jones.....benching Q and Jared.....

Its that easy......in a trade Isiah would have to get cap relief and possibly a draft pick or young talent......that's good money right there.

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1/8/2008  3:29 PM
I think the thing that really messed the knicks up was little JImmmy joining the party and the salary cap.

Its not the taxes that kills us, but the management of it. We keep prolonging the payroll and taking on idiots in return.

We never ever managed the cap.

Ewing trade was done in regards to his massive contract. Ewing became Radcliff-mutumbo-caldwell Jones Etc type player with a big contract.

Glenn Rice we still ok when we got him but he signed that last contract and could not keep it together anymore and just fell a part. Perhaps with Glenn we could have moved Spree who had some value at that point.

The trade in hindsight was crazy as we took on very overpriced players but it really was the only way.

Ewing could have manybe hung out one more year and then bought out but lets be real, we had a decent core was recently to the finals so a few overpriced role players was not a killer. Or so we thought.

Hey, its all in the past, and it sucks, but we keep sliding down further the abyss.
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1/8/2008  5:14 PM
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1/8/2008  7:15 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



What the hell was Layden thinking with that ewing trade? The Knicks could have done better than that. None of the players he got stuck. Glen Rice? With spree and Houston? Wha?

Ewing was the real culprit that nobody wants to talk about.

He forced the knicks to trade him.

He pouted and made it known that built MSG in the late 80's and Nineties and would be a pain in the butt if they kept him around and didn't implement his game into the team even though he was just about washed up.

Ewing's EGO and the timidity of the front office cemented the knicks future by trading for glen rice and Longley who was a rival Bull.



[Edited by - playa2 on 08-01-2008 19:16]
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