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This is why I don't kill Curry and we looked much more like last year than this year tonight
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BRIGGS
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1/5/2008  12:05 AM
We still stink and badly but I think you could see through the dark forest a bit tonight. Isn't it funny that Portland who only SUBTRACTED Randolph is 20-13? Curry has slowly started to come back on since his benching--but this was much more of what Curry was like last year--and yes of course you can win and win BIG with Curry as a starting C and he can be considered a player who can be in a big 3. Problem is the team is now devastated by this ovewhelming acquisition of Randolph.

Like Portland--we have to get rid of Randolph somehow. We need a solid overhaul as we need a PG a 3 man and a guy who plays inside as a defensive anchor with size[no no jerome fats james]

If we can add a Josh Childress with a frontloaded MLE[atlanta might be hamstrung] find a good shotblocking compliment to Curry upfront who can play PF and C[deandre jordan:)] and maybe trade for a good young PG--with a new coach a fresh attitude and new outlook--maybe this team can do soemthing---but there is a LOT of dead weight and I'm not kiding myself about where we are at--and who is running the ship. Its more like this guy will use the draft pick to get a Mike Bibby and Ron Artest to add with Zach:(
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1/5/2008  12:09 AM
It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.
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1/5/2008  12:18 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.

We werent bad last year--we werent good but we had something going and we played with heart. I felt we were building something last year. We need to get rid of some dead weight and add on to what we had going. Adding Randolph[if he stays] has sent this franchise into a tailspin it CANNOT get out of unless we get rid of him. Then it will take perfect player moves and some luck in the draft to get us out of the deep hole we are in. I contend that Curry can be part of the solution. How many players in this league can go 10-12 on Tim Duncan? And when he has the sapce[- zach] he is a better rebounder than given credit for.
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1/5/2008  12:27 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.

We werent bad last year--we werent good but we had something going and we played with heart. I felt we were building something last year. We need to get rid of some dead weight and add on to what we had going. Adding Randolph[if he stays] has sent this franchise into a tailspin it CANNOT get out of unless we get rid of him. Then it will take perfect player moves and some luck in the draft to get us out of the deep hole we are in. I contend that Curry can be part of the solution. How many players in this league can go 10-12 on Tim Duncan? And when he has the sapce[- zach] he is a better rebounder than given credit for.

We were bad last year. Just not this bad. Anyway Curry is bum. The Knicks just played well tonight for whatever reason. I don't think it had much to do with Zach. Curry's played without Zach on the court before and stunk every time.
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1/5/2008  12:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.

We werent bad last year--we werent good but we had something going and we played with heart. I felt we were building something last year. We need to get rid of some dead weight and add on to what we had going. Adding Randolph[if he stays] has sent this franchise into a tailspin it CANNOT get out of unless we get rid of him. Then it will take perfect player moves and some luck in the draft to get us out of the deep hole we are in. I contend that Curry can be part of the solution. How many players in this league can go 10-12 on Tim Duncan? And when he has the sapce[- zach] he is a better rebounder than given credit for.

Fat boy has had occasional games like this before. This is nothing new. Don't take anything from this at all.
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1/5/2008  12:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.

We werent bad last year--we werent good but we had something going and we played with heart. I felt we were building something last year. We need to get rid of some dead weight and add on to what we had going. Adding Randolph[if he stays] has sent this franchise into a tailspin it CANNOT get out of unless we get rid of him. Then it will take perfect player moves and some luck in the draft to get us out of the deep hole we are in. I contend that Curry can be part of the solution. How many players in this league can go 10-12 on Tim Duncan? And when he has the sapce[- zach] he is a better rebounder than given credit for.


Tim Duncan isn't even 100%

We've seen Curry go off before. We've also seen Curry get thrashed by the Low Budget centers and other front court players. And while we're vacuuming Curry's impact this game let's do the same for Zach when Curry was out or played limited minutes

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271205017 We Won

Here's another steady performance from Zach while Curry played very little minutes

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271219018 We Won

and others

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271226019 We Lost

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271214004 We Lost

Randolph played very well these games, so we could reason keep Zach and dump Curry. But in all honesty it's neither here nor there with these two. They both need to go A.S.A.P. We aren't a successful team with either of them on it.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-04-2008 11:46 PM]
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1/5/2008  12:37 AM
Oh and Briggs BTW we are 0-4 Miami, Phx, Sac, and SA this yr when Zach doesn't play with Curry playing in every one of those.

Don't let this additional stat get in the way either.
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1/5/2008  12:43 AM
Curry is like Marbury in that for 11 or so years coaches will be trying to surround him with "the kind of players he needs", they never quite will, then he'll be on the downside of his career and you're happy to get some good games here and there.

These inflexible types who need a perfect storm just to have a winning season aren't worth the fuss.
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1/5/2008  12:49 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Curry is like Marbury in that for 11 or so years coaches will be trying to surround him with "the kind of players he needs", they never quite will, then he'll be on the downside of his career and you're happy to get some good games here and there.

These inflexible types who need a perfect storm just to have a winning season aren't worth the fuss.


Yep you're either a winner or you aren't. You're either a good player or you aren't. Curry is not a player you jump through hoops for, neither is Marbury or Zach.
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1/5/2008  12:50 AM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's funny before the acquisition of Randolph the Knicks are 56-108 since acquiring EY.

Don't let those numbers get in the way of the admiration.

We werent bad last year--we werent good but we had something going and we played with heart. I felt we were building something last year. We need to get rid of some dead weight and add on to what we had going. Adding Randolph[if he stays] has sent this franchise into a tailspin it CANNOT get out of unless we get rid of him. Then it will take perfect player moves and some luck in the draft to get us out of the deep hole we are in. I contend that Curry can be part of the solution. How many players in this league can go 10-12 on Tim Duncan? And when he has the sapce[- zach] he is a better rebounder than given credit for.

We were bad last year. Just not this bad. Anyway Curry is bum. The Knicks just played well tonight for whatever reason. I don't think it had much to do with Zach. Curry's played without Zach on the court before and stunk every time.

Knicks were OK.
Spurs were soooo bad. No Mano and tim is not 100%.
They will lose to most of NBA teams playing like this.




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1/5/2008  12:57 AM
Spurs are in a bad stretch right now. They lost to the freekin Grizzlies last week. They have to get their team healthy and back on track.
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1/5/2008  1:00 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Spurs are in a bad stretch right now. They lost to the freekin Grizzlies last week. They have to get their team healthy and back on track.

Knicks versus Grizz... that should be an entertaining game. The winner is the loser... of PING PONG BALLS!!
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1/5/2008  1:05 AM
I think the question that needs to be asked about Curry is when does he peak and for how long?

I know he's still young but he's been around for 7 years now. In 2 years, in his 9th season, will he be the monster one wants him to be, or will he be packing another 25 lbs with signs of wear and tear on his knees?

If Curry is going to do something significant the time is now, before it's too late.
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1/5/2008  1:10 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Spurs are in a bad stretch right now. They lost to the freekin Grizzlies last week. They have to get their team healthy and back on track.

no Ginobili truly hurts this team. he is far and away more valuable to them than the extremely overrated tony parker. and duncan's hurt too i think.
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1/5/2008  2:33 AM
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1/5/2008  2:52 AM
Curry has had dominant games like this many times over his career... it's the consistency of effort that keeps him from becoming anything more than an average player at this point... he's got the talent to be dominant as we all saw tonight... i really wish something would click in that head of his & he'd start getting in shape & devoting himself to becoming the best player he can be, but that's likely never going to happen at this stage in his career... he is what he is.

that said, i can't call him garbage & follow the crowd because i do see him have games like this from time to time... a garbage player is someone like Adonal Foyle, Big Turd James or someone of that ilk... Curry is far from being garbage... he's got the talent to be an Allstar, just none of the motivation.
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1/5/2008  3:23 AM
Eddy Curry is the Tim Thomas of Centers. He isn't the type of person that is a major contributor on a winning team.
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1/5/2008  4:02 AM
that's a fair comparison Slim.
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1/5/2008  2:12 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

Eddy Curry is the Tim Thomas of Centers. He isn't the type of person that is a major contributor on a winning team.


Superficially that is a really good comparison.

However, the funny thing about Tim Thomas is that he has been on 6 playoff teams, including one with the knicks. And, he was playing amazingly well for the phoenix team a few years ago.

The comparison really breaks down further when you consider why they are not achieving. Tim thomas was not motivated, wheras Curry's problem is a lot more about reaction time. Curry is just not very good at reacting to the play at hand, which is a large part of his problem. He is just amazingly mentally slow. You can't help defend, when you can't react to the play that is developing. Ocassionally, he will have a game where he grabs 12 or so rebounds, but god damn when you are as big as he is and spend as much time near the basket on both ends, you are bound to have a decent rebounding game once in awhile. You really can't fault him for that, but you can get him the hell out of town. On the other hand, Tim Thomas always has had the ability, he is just not interested in performing on a high level. However, Tim Thomas is the one who at least has the capacity to perform on a high level during a short stint of time(say a few playoff series.) Curry just can't.
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1/5/2008  2:43 PM
The knicks have never relied on rookie talent to go to the playoffs and compete for a chip, what makes you think we will do that now.

Regardless if it's checketts or layden or Isiah, veterans will have to be the main components to bring the knicks closer to the playoff savy we were use to in the 90's.

Young players can't consistently handle the media, the crowd let alone the opponents night in and night out.
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