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Solace
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1/4/2008  3:50 PM
Boston may have set a bad example for us here. Isiah is here to win now; he knows he won't be around to see what happens in the long run if we don't start winning. Observe Isiah having the Knicks have a terrible year. That pick will be traded. I can definitely see our pick and Lee and/or Balkman going in a trade for Artest, perhaps sooner than later. Furthermore, I won't be shocked if we target other quasi stars.

My prediction for next season is that our starting lineup is:

C-Curry
PF-Randolph
SF-Artest
SG-Crawford
PG-Baron Davis

Bench:
C-Jerome James
PF-Random athletic kid
SF-Jared Jeffries
SF/SG-Quentin Richardson
SG-Random athletic kid
PG-Stephon Marbury (who will eventually be traded by that year's deadline due to excessive whining and a "valuable" expiring contract)

Furthermore, I predict that Isiah will again feel quite confident that this is the way to go and be shocked when it falls apart. Thoughts?
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1/4/2008  4:08 PM
Not even IT can be that stupid. Trading a high pick for a proven player like KG when you already have a proven star in Pierce is one thing. Trading for an Artest or Baron Davis when your team is totally screwed is a whole other story. If you are going to trade the pick, then trade it for a young upcoming player like Al Jefferson.

We need Rose. If we have to trade Lee to another team to get him so be it but this team needs a strong unselfish leader at the pg position.
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1/4/2008  4:26 PM
Baron Davis is the exact player Isiah would go for.
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1/4/2008  4:30 PM
I don't know what I'd do if I see us repeat the mistake of taking on more long term contracts...

The only way I'd be in favor of taking on a long term contract would be to make a move for a franchise player..and by franchise player i mean:

Dwight Howard
Kobe
Duncan
KG

Players who lead and can compete on BOTH ends of the floor.

Please don't trade expiring contracts for another player with a deal no one wants.

Why can't we get this right?
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1/4/2008  5:03 PM
Baron Davis would be a great player for this team without Randolph and Curry. With them you need a big, defending guard. Mardy seems perfect to me and could shoot fine last year when he had consistent minutes, but hey, what do I know. Isiah has it all figured out.
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1/4/2008  5:12 PM
Isiah is a coach who cannot coach because of Isiah GM.
And Isiah GM is GM who cannot trade because of owner Dolan.
Jimmy want Isiah to pay the ultimate price of playing clown as long as possible.
You will see Dolan laughing many times after each lose. Until Isiah will flip and give up his money.
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1/4/2008  5:58 PM
According to NBA Draft.net Utah already have our unprotected 2010 pick?
Utah receives a 2008 New York first-round pick (top 23 protected in 2008, top 22 protected in 2009 and unproteced in 2010) (Tom Gugliotta trade 021904) via Phoenix (Marbury trade) Phoenix receives a 2005 New York Knicks first-round pick. (010504 Marbury trade).

That's bound to be top 5 for them at this point... We can't afford to lose any more picks.
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1/4/2008  6:09 PM
Posted by sbensol74:

According to NBA Draft.net Utah already have our unprotected 2010 pick?
Utah receives a 2008 New York first-round pick (top 23 protected in 2008, top 22 protected in 2009 and unproteced in 2010) (Tom Gugliotta trade 021904) via Phoenix (Marbury trade) Phoenix receives a 2005 New York Knicks first-round pick. (010504 Marbury trade).

That's bound to be top 5 for them at this point... We can't afford to lose any more picks.
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1/4/2008  6:12 PM
Posted by sbensol74:

According to NBA Draft.net Utah already have our unprotected 2010 pick?
Utah receives a 2008 New York first-round pick (top 23 protected in 2008, top 22 protected in 2009 and unproteced in 2010) (Tom Gugliotta trade 021904) via Phoenix (Marbury trade) Phoenix receives a 2005 New York Knicks first-round pick. (010504 Marbury trade).

That's bound to be top 5 for them at this point... We can't afford to lose any more picks.

Ahh you're right. That doesn't mean that Isiah won't find a way to trade more picks away.
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1/4/2008  7:11 PM
I don't see that happening. He's been low balling Sac so far, what would change at this point to make him suddenly up the anti that much? We're talking about a high pick at this point and that's not something I can see him giving up for Artest along with Lee. To me that's too much for the return we could expect. Artest can make a team better, but not title contention better. He's not a franchise player. Isiah has to figure that we wouldn't be better than Boston with Artest, so why make that move?
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1/4/2008  8:14 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't see that happening. He's been low balling Sac so far, what would change at this point to make him suddenly up the anti that much? We're talking about a high pick at this point and that's not something I can see him giving up for Artest along with Lee. To me that's too much for the return we could expect. Artest can make a team better, but not title contention better. He's not a franchise player. Isiah has to figure that we wouldn't be better than Boston with Artest, so why make that move?

Why you try to apply normal logic to Isiah thinking?
This never was the case. Why it will change?
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1/4/2008  8:52 PM
i don't see Isiah trading the pick or D Lee for Artest... he pretty much made his feelings clear on that one a couple days ago after a reporter asked him about a possible move to get Artest.
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1/5/2008  6:28 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't see that happening. He's been low balling Sac so far, what would change at this point to make him suddenly up the anti that much? We're talking about a high pick at this point and that's not something I can see him giving up for Artest along with Lee. To me that's too much for the return we could expect. Artest can make a team better, but not title contention better. He's not a franchise player. Isiah has to figure that we wouldn't be better than Boston with Artest, so why make that move?

If Artest has a good season, his price goes up. Furthermore, I don't know that he's been low-balling Sac. I think a lot of the trade rumors written in the papers are made up conjecture, which is part of why so few come true.

Without being specific, I was saying that it was possible to go into next season without most of our kids from the group of David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler, Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson and without the pick, because we were targetting both Artest and Baron Davis.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 05 2008 06:28 AM]
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1/5/2008  10:13 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nixluva:

I don't see that happening. He's been low balling Sac so far, what would change at this point to make him suddenly up the anti that much? We're talking about a high pick at this point and that's not something I can see him giving up for Artest along with Lee. To me that's too much for the return we could expect. Artest can make a team better, but not title contention better. He's not a franchise player. Isiah has to figure that we wouldn't be better than Boston with Artest, so why make that move?

If Artest has a good season, his price goes up. Furthermore, I don't know that he's been low-balling Sac. I think a lot of the trade rumors written in the papers are made up conjecture, which is part of why so few come true.

Without being specific, I was saying that it was possible to go into next season without most of our kids from the group of David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler, Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson and without the pick, because we were targetting both Artest and Baron Davis.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 05 2008 06:28 AM]

i haven't heard anything about Isiah targetting Baron Davis.
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1/5/2008  10:28 AM
Posted by TMS:

i haven't heard anything about Isiah targetting Baron Davis.

I just meant in my example scenario. Just a hunch, based on the past, that Baron Davis is the kind of player Isiah would target. He loves big scoring PGs. The accepted reality is that we still aren't good at PG. Don't be surprised to see Isiah go and get a scoring PG, not understanding *why* we aren't good at PG.
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1/5/2008  11:26 AM
i agree Davis fits perfectly the Isiah mold in terms of guys he would target... overrated, high salary, player that doesn't address any of our needs, doesn't play any defense... he's perfect... that's why i was joking about him being #1 on Isiah's target list a while back... i thought u had heard something, got me scared for a second... i thought there was a deal on the table for him to come here on a S&T w/max contract extension for our lottery pick.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-05-2008 08:27 AM]
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