Making some observations and I'll need some help from others in certain areas

The yr isn't over yet but so far....during LB's season as coach we ended the season scoring 95.6ppg and allowing 102ppg. 2yrs removed from that sabatoged coaching season, considering the talent upgrades and player progression, we're currently scoring 94.2ppg and allowing 102.1ppg. I know BUZACTLY...... absolutely TERRENDOUS

Last yr you had fans making love to Curry's Belly because he was presumed All-Star worthy. He's not even close this yr. We don't have any All-Stars still.

Here's where I need help. How many different starting line-ups has I SAY UGH used this yr and where are his set rotations at?

Do we have a 6th Man this season?

We are a healthy team, with exception Marbury being mentally sick. So what's derailing our season this yr? Supposedly this was what derailed it last yr.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 11:39 AM]

Incompetent Management, and coaching.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Making some observations and I'll need some help from others in certain areas

The yr isn't over yet but so far....during LB's season as coach we ended the season scoring 95.6ppg and allowing 102ppg. 2yrs removed from that sabatoged coaching season, considering the talent upgrades and player progression, we're currently scoring 94.2ppg and allowing 102.1ppg. I know BUZACTLY...... absolutely TERRENDOUS

Last yr you had fans making love to Curry's Belly because he was presumed All-Star worthy. He's not even close this yr. We don't have any All-Stars still.

Here's where I need help. How many different starting line-ups has I SAY UGH used this yr and where are his set rotations at?

Do we have a 6th Man this season?

We are a healthy team, with exception Marbury being mentally sick. So what's derailing our season this yr? Supposedly this was what derailed it last yr.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 11:39 AM]

4 years in and the team still lacks anytype of identity, definitive style or leader. ISiah is wasting his time making line-up changes. Find 5 guys that want to bust their butts and give them all the minutes. IN the meantime, let's try to bring in some winners.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Making some observations and I'll need some help from others in certain areas

The yr isn't over yet but so far....during LB's season as coach we ended the season scoring 95.6ppg and allowing 102ppg. 2yrs removed from that sabatoged coaching season, considering the talent upgrades and player progression, we're currently scoring 94.2ppg and allowing 102.1ppg. I know BUZACTLY...... absolutely TERRENDOUS

Last yr you had fans making love to Curry's Belly because he was presumed All-Star worthy. He's not even close this yr. We don't have any All-Stars still.

Here's where I need help. How many different starting line-ups has I SAY UGH used this yr and where are his set rotations at?

Do we have a 6th Man this season?

We are a healthy team, with exception Marbury being mentally sick. So what's derailing our season this yr? Supposedly this was what derailed it last yr.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 11:39 AM]

4 years in and the team still lacks anytype of identity, definitive style or leader. ISiah is wasting his time making line-up changes. Find 5 guys that want to bust their butts and give them all the minutes. IN the meantime, let's try to bring in some winners.

Sounds logical. Unfortunately for some bizarre reason Isiah Thomas, who has years of experience as both a player, coach, and executive, will probably never do this. Isiah Thomas is just incompetent through and through, at this point Dolan is just torturing fans by keeping him.

So funny that people couldn't wait to have Isiah coach so as to play us to our strength, which is offense, yet our point production is down.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by BlueSeats:

So funny that people couldn't wait to have Isiah coach so as to play us to our strength, which is offense, yet our point production is down.

The Knicks' strength is the lottery.

Channing says, "not if Isiah's still here."

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

Incompetent Management, and coaching.

OK but shouldn't we at least be scoring more points? Seriously how many starting line-ups has he used?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 11:39 AM]

No not really. I don't' know how many starting lineups he's used but he hasn't used many. He's only changed the SL like once or twice. The problem with this Knicks roster (well one of the problems) is that there simply aren't enough 2 way players on it by far. In fact I think the only player who even comes close to being that is Fred Jones. Generally speaking with this roster, with any given line up, they'll either be playing solid defense OR scoring consistently.

Are you saying that's the best we'll do... either/or? Because currently we do neither.

Well it's the best we'll do with THIS roster. The intelligent thing to do, therefore, would be to dismantle it and start over. Which basically means that you can rule that out as something that Dolan would consider.

Also I don't fully agree with your second statement. when the roster is used intelligently (like it was for the most part last night) the Knicks can do a little of both (scoring and defending), but they can't do much of both which is why they still aren't that good a team. Early in the season before awolgate the Knicks got lucky on offense even though they weren't defending at all, which is the only reason they were 2-1 after that Denver game. But generally speaking when that sucky rotation is used (the one with Marbs, Crawford, Q, Zach, Curry in the SL) The knicks can't do either well, because there are no defenders and on offense there's no chemistry because the players don't compliment each other. In fact they make each other worse.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

Incompetent Management, and coaching.

OK but shouldn't we at least be scoring more points? Seriously how many starting line-ups has he used?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 11:39 AM]

No not really. I don't' know how many starting lineups he's used but he hasn't used many. He's only changed the SL like once or twice. The problem with this Knicks roster (well one of the problems) is that there simply aren't enough 2 way players on it by far. In fact I think the only player who even comes close to being that is Fred Jones. Generally speaking with this roster, with any given line up, they'll either be playing solid defense OR scoring consistently.

Are you saying that's the best we'll do... either/or? Because currently we do neither.

Well it's the best we'll do with THIS roster. The intelligent thing to do, therefore, would be to dismantle it and start over. Which basically means that you can rule that out as something that Dolan would consider.

Also I don't fully agree with your second statement. when the roster is used intelligently (like it was for the most part last night) the Knicks can do a little of both (scoring and defending), but they can't do much of both which is why they still aren't that good a team. Early in the season before awolgate the Knicks got lucky on offense even though they weren't defending at all, which is the only reason they were 2-1 after that Denver game. But generally speaking when that sucky rotation is used (the one with Marbs, Crawford, Q, Zach, Curry in the SL) The knicks can't do either well, because there are no defenders and on offense there's no chemistry because the players don't compliment each other. In fact they make each other worse.

Well you used the word CONSISTENTLY. I'm not going to tip my hat to 2-3 good qrts of basketball one game and then the next, 2-3 bad qrts of 21 Tip back 2 with 2 hands and Tip back 5 with one hand. That's what we've been witnessing, play Utah and Denver good and get waxed by Philly and Charlotte. We don't play either side of the ball well consistently(I don't think we can the way the roster is shaped) and the stats are indicative of it.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-27-2007 12:48 PM]