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Cosmic
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12/25/2007  10:09 AM
Knicks' naughty, nice in loss

Monday, December 24, 2007

By STEVE ADAMEK
STAFF WRITER



NEW YORK -- 'Twas two days before Christmas, but forget any sugar plums dancing through Knicks' heads.


Lineup changes are coming for them to sleep on, all snug in their beds.

So declared a less-than-jolly ol' Isiah Thomas after another naughty-nice loss Sunday afternoon: Lakers 95, Knicks 90.

Naughty, as in digging a 25-point hole with the likes of Eddy Curry, Fred Jones, Zach Randolph and Quentin Richardson on the floor.

Nice as in climbing back to within one and getting a Jamal Crawford three for the lead with less than 80 seconds left, with basically Crawford (who scored 30 of his 31 points in the second half) and for a time Richardson, plus reserves from among Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries, Malik Rose and David Lee on the floor.

"We probably have the wrong guys starting," Thomas said after Kobe Bryant lit up his team for 39 points -- almost in vain. "We'll look to change our lineup and try to get some more energy and defensive guys in [it]."
Move over, Wilt



He wouldn't say who'll get coal in their stocking when, after not practicing today and Christmas, the Knicks play Wednesday in Orlando, but locker room sage Rose bluntly surmised why.

"Overall collectively, coming from this locker room on a night-in, night-out basis, there's not a 100 percent commitment to compete," said a man who owns two Spurs championship rings.

"There's got to be a point where you get tired of this happening. And right now, it seems like, no one in particular, but this locker room is just content with getting beat. No one is getting to the point where they think, screw this."

So like St. Nicholas calling to his reindeer, let the speculation begin.

Out Eddy? Out Zach?

Curry didn't start the second half and only played 3:13 of it. Randolph played just 34 seconds more, as both he and Curry (plus Jones, who didn't start or play the entire second half) served as spectators for another desperate, but futile comeback.

"They've got to defend better," Thomas said when asked if their absence suggested one change.

"If I had to change, yeah," Randolph said when asked if he'd be willing to sit.

Curry, though, skirted the same question, saying, "I just want to enjoy Christmas with my family and whatever happens, happens."

On David? On Nate?

"He wants us to play hard, I guess," said Robinson, who committed a faux pas on the game's final play, failing to realize he could step into the backcourt to catch Lee's inbounds pass before attempting a game-tying three, allowing Jordan Farmar to steal it for a game-sealing dunk.

"At times we play hard, at times we don't."

"We just need to get off to some better starts," Lee said after a 12-point, 13-rebound performance, his third straight double-double. "I don't know how to do that."

Thomas does.

"We've got to find some guys, a group, that wants to consistently defend for 48 minutes," he said. "Clearly right now we don't have that, but we do have that within this team. We'll find that and we'll play those guys."

He used four to defend Bryant -- Jones, Crawford, Richardson and Jeffries -- who with a third-quarter three became the youngest player (29) in NBA history to reach the 20,000-point mark.

He also stuck a right-lane jumper after splitting two defenders in the final minute that seemed like a dagger for a 93-90 lead, then yanked the knife out with a turnover, then a miss from the right baseline.

That gave the Knicks the last chance that Robinson (with Crawford covered in a corner by Bryant) squandered by not knowing a rule that was changed years ago.

Still, he's a likely candidate to start (probably for Jones), with Stephon Marbury three weeks and counting into grieving his father's death.

Lee could break up the Curry-Randolph pairing and Richardson (now averaging just 7.3 points on 32.4-percemt shooting) may make way for Jeffries, Renaldo Balkman or even Lee.

"Oh we'll make changes," Thomas said.
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12/25/2007  10:09 AM
Malik: They're just content getting beat. They don't give 100%
Eddy: Whatever happens, happens.
Lee: Have to start better but I don't know how to do that.
Nate: I guess he wants us to play hard. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't.



Talk about mailing it in. You GUESS Nate? You GUESS you're supposed to play hard? WHAT!!?!?!?!?

Lee? You DONT KNOW how to start better? You dont? So when you enter the game you dont know how to play good from the very beginning? WHAT!?!?!?!?

Curry? Whatever happens happens...just let you go home to stuff your face at Christmas? Oh yeah, you really give a ****.



This is a disaster...if these quotes don't show that Isiah should be fire and these CLOWNS should be traded then I don't know what does. 8-19 record? Nope that doesnt seem to do it either. 4 years of no playoff wins? Nope, inconsequential I guess. Over 500M dollars spent in four years? Nah, that doesn't seem to make any difference.


What the hell?
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12/25/2007  10:17 AM
Come on, Cos, it's Christmas Day. No need to raise your blood pressure and get all hot today. Enjoy the holiday.

"whatever happens, happens." Indeed.
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12/25/2007  10:19 AM
Nice find. lol
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12/25/2007  10:39 AM
Can't we just waive everyone not named "David Lee"?
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12/25/2007  10:55 AM
i think lee was implying that he doesn't start so how do you expect him to do anything.

curry is such a waste of time it amazes me
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12/25/2007  11:22 AM
I wonder what's the longest bereavement leave for a starter in NBA history.
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12/25/2007  11:29 AM
"Oh we'll make changes," Thomas said.

Enough with the ominous threats, it's not motivating anybody on this team. The players who care already play hard, and the ones who don't sulk, or simply go AWOL.

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12/25/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Malik: They're just content getting beat. They don't give 100%
Eddy: Whatever happens, happens.
Lee: Have to start better but I don't know how to do that.
Nate: I guess he wants us to play hard. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't.



Talk about mailing it in. You GUESS Nate? You GUESS you're supposed to play hard? WHAT!!?!?!?!?

Lee? You DONT KNOW how to start better? You dont? So when you enter the game you dont know how to play good from the very beginning? WHAT!?!?!?!?

Curry? Whatever happens happens...just let you go home to stuff your face at Christmas? Oh yeah, you really give a ****.



This is a disaster...if these quotes don't show that Isiah should be fire and these CLOWNS should be traded then I don't know what does. 8-19 record? Nope that doesnt seem to do it either. 4 years of no playoff wins? Nope, inconsequential I guess. Over 500M dollars spent in four years? Nah, that doesn't seem to make any difference.


What the hell?

I think Lee is largely being diplomatic- he knows how they can start better- its called not having the lumps start the game (Zach & Curry)
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12/25/2007  12:24 PM
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12/25/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i think lee was implying that he doesn't start so how do you expect him to do anything.

curry is such a waste of time it amazes me

Lee said that he has no idea how to win with this group.
I guess nobody has.
The only man who can answer this question should be Isiah, but he has no clue either.
He created this mess and he is the only one responsible for all consequences.
These players quit not on the game of basketball and not on the Knicks, but on Isiah.
He is dead man working and Dolan will let him suffer as long as he wants to.







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12/25/2007  4:14 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Malik: They're just content getting beat. They don't give 100%

He can't change that if he's glued to the pine. Honestly, he should start and lead by example. I know he isn't a baller, but he'd set a great example.
Eddy: Whatever happens, happens.

Get in the truck, you fat ****.
Lee: Have to start better but I don't know how to do that.

He's being coached by a bigger racist than Papabear's hatters. Isiah really did NOT want to draft him... but got talked into it. How can Lee get the team to START better when he's glued to the pine.
Nate: I guess he wants us to play hard. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't.

Another bench player who ignites the team when he gets off the bench... time to start him too.

Talk about mailing it in. You GUESS Nate? You GUESS you're supposed to play hard? WHAT!!?!?!?!?

Lee? You DONT KNOW how to start better? You dont? So when you enter the game you dont know how to play good from the very beginning? WHAT!?!?!?!?

Curry? Whatever happens happens...just let you go home to stuff your face at Christmas? Oh yeah, you really give a ****.



This is a disaster...if these quotes don't show that Isiah should be fire and these CLOWNS should be traded then I don't know what does. 8-19 record? Nope that doesnt seem to do it either. 4 years of no playoff wins? Nope, inconsequential I guess. Over 500M dollars spent in four years? Nah, that doesn't seem to make any difference.


What the hell?

Cos, Malik, Lee, and NAte can't say what to do because they haven't been given a chance to undo this mess. Instead, Isiah is entrusting the career losers to turn this **** around. I guarantee you Nate, Lee, and Malik will have more to say about turning things around if they are given expanded roles. Now, that isn't ideal, but when the general manager sucks the coach doesn't have too many options. When your coach is terrible, he doesn't use all the options available to him. What a moron.
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12/25/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Cosmic:

Malik: They're just content getting beat. They don't give 100%

He can't change that if he's glued to the pine. Honestly, he should start and lead by example. I know he isn't a baller, but he'd set a great example.
Eddy: Whatever happens, happens.

Get in the truck, you fat ****.
Lee: Have to start better but I don't know how to do that.

He's being coached by a bigger racist than Papabear's hatters. Isiah really did NOT want to draft him... but got talked into it. How can Lee get the team to START better when he's glued to the pine.
Nate: I guess he wants us to play hard. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't.

Another bench player who ignites the team when he gets off the bench... time to start him too.

Talk about mailing it in. You GUESS Nate? You GUESS you're supposed to play hard? WHAT!!?!?!?!?

Lee? You DONT KNOW how to start better? You dont? So when you enter the game you dont know how to play good from the very beginning? WHAT!?!?!?!?

Curry? Whatever happens happens...just let you go home to stuff your face at Christmas? Oh yeah, you really give a ****.



This is a disaster...if these quotes don't show that Isiah should be fire and these CLOWNS should be traded then I don't know what does. 8-19 record? Nope that doesnt seem to do it either. 4 years of no playoff wins? Nope, inconsequential I guess. Over 500M dollars spent in four years? Nah, that doesn't seem to make any difference.


What the hell?

Cos, Malik, Lee, and NAte can't say what to do because they haven't been given a chance to undo this mess. Instead, Isiah is entrusting the career losers to turn this **** around. I guarantee you Nate, Lee, and Malik will have more to say about turning things around if they are given expanded roles. Now, that isn't ideal, but when the general manager sucks the coach doesn't have too many options. When your coach is terrible, he doesn't use all the options available to him. What a moron.

I agree, I mean I think lee and nate and lee, know how to win, well malik does for sure, but we do know these three will pay hard, and play together, and that is a start.
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12/25/2007  5:26 PM
Nate had no idea how he was suppose to be aware that time was running out on the possession clock his rookie year and now in his 3rd year was unaware of the rule change allowing you to receive the ball in the backcourt..........

and this is who the team can lean on for wins??????

[Edited by - McK1 on 25-12-2007 5:27 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/25/2007  7:22 PM
Posted by McK1:

Nate had no idea how he was suppose to be aware that time was running out on the possession clock his rookie year and now in his 3rd year was unaware of the rule change allowing you to receive the ball in the backcourt..........

and this is who the team can lean on for wins??????

[Edited by - McK1 on 25-12-2007 5:27 PM]

Isiah knows that Nate has a mind of 10 year old. His responsibility was to instruct players what to do if Craf will be covered. His responsibility was to call time-out in time.
He is the most moronic coach I ever saw in my life.
Unless he is tanking for real...






[Edited by - arkrud on 12-25-2007 7:22 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 12-25-2007 7:23 PM]
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12/26/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Cosmic:

Malik: They're just content getting beat. They don't give 100%

He can't change that if he's glued to the pine. Honestly, he should start and lead by example. I know he isn't a baller, but he'd set a great example.
Eddy: Whatever happens, happens.

Get in the truck, you fat ****.
Lee: Have to start better but I don't know how to do that.

He's being coached by a bigger racist than Papabear's hatters. Isiah really did NOT want to draft him... but got talked into it. How can Lee get the team to START better when he's glued to the pine.
Nate: I guess he wants us to play hard. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't.

Another bench player who ignites the team when he gets off the bench... time to start him too.

Talk about mailing it in. You GUESS Nate? You GUESS you're supposed to play hard? WHAT!!?!?!?!?

Lee? You DONT KNOW how to start better? You dont? So when you enter the game you dont know how to play good from the very beginning? WHAT!?!?!?!?

Curry? Whatever happens happens...just let you go home to stuff your face at Christmas? Oh yeah, you really give a ****.



This is a disaster...if these quotes don't show that Isiah should be fire and these CLOWNS should be traded then I don't know what does. 8-19 record? Nope that doesnt seem to do it either. 4 years of no playoff wins? Nope, inconsequential I guess. Over 500M dollars spent in four years? Nah, that doesn't seem to make any difference.


What the hell?

Cos, Malik, Lee, and NAte can't say what to do because they haven't been given a chance to undo this mess. Instead, Isiah is entrusting the career losers to turn this **** around. I guarantee you Nate, Lee, and Malik will have more to say about turning things around if they are given expanded roles. Now, that isn't ideal, but when the general manager sucks the coach doesn't have too many options. When your coach is terrible, he doesn't use all the options available to him. What a moron.

I agree, I mean I think lee and nate and lee, know how to win, well malik does for sure, but we do know these three will pay hard, and play together, and that is a start.

The focus must be to establish a winning culture, attitude. If I didn't laugh when I compare the 90s era Knicks to Isiah's "team," I'd cry.
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