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Isiah: We have the wrong players in the starting lineup. There will be changes. We will make changes
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12/23/2007  3:08 PM

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12/23/2007  3:14 PM
We'll see. A lineup shakeup is certainly warranted, but I have a feeling that when some of these bench guys are in starting lineups, facing units that aren't taking a nap with a 20 point lead, they may be less effective.
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12/23/2007  3:16 PM

Only one more week 'til we start thinking of coaching changes as well..I can't wait...
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12/23/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

We'll see. A lineup shakeup is certainly warranted, but I have a feeling that when some of these bench guys are in starting lineups, facing units that aren't taking a nap with a 20 point lead, they may be less effective.

The lineup was a problem but not the biggest one. The Knicks still make the same mistakes, regardless of te lineup that is out there.
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12/23/2007  3:19 PM
He has to go with either Curry or Zach and take Q-Miss out of the line up. Screw Marbury and play the rook
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12/23/2007  3:23 PM
Isiah: "I haven't heard from Marbury".

Not "Stephon" but a cold "Marbury".

Yeah, do you think there's more going on with him leaving the team than just his mourning his father?

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12/23/2007  3:24 PM
The current starting lineup is ill conceived, energy or not. You have no defenders, period and the only consistent outside shooter is your power forward who also happens to be your best rebounder. But if he's 18 feet out taking jump shots, who's rebounding? When Pat was jacking them up from out there, you still had Oak and Mase down low and vice versa. Now you've got Curvy who can't outrebound a 5'7 guard and would rather be doing somersaults for the US gymnastics team.
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12/23/2007  3:26 PM
The new lineup will be: Robinson, Crawford, Lee, Randolph, Jeffries.

oohah

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12/23/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Isiah: "I haven't heard from Marbury".

Not "Stephon" but a cold "Marbury".

Yeah, do you think there's more going on with him leaving the team than just his mourning his father?



No It's 100% about Don and nothing else.(rolling eyes)
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12/23/2007  3:33 PM
The fact that Isiah is now willing to change the line up I think is a sign that he's feeling pressure. To me that's a good sign. Isiah has always been laid back and unconcerned about his future here in NY, but now with his recent comments it seems like he feels that his job is for the first time in jeopardy.
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12/23/2007  3:34 PM
this potential line up change comes a little too late. How is it that the average fan has recognized the need for a line up change - but Isiah, the HOFer, the man paid the Big Bucks to run things - is just getting around to this now?
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12/23/2007  3:34 PM
Curry is going to love losing his starting job. It's really going to be great for his confidence. You can see how being benched in the second halves have really done wonders for him.

Zach is going to be a trooper about going to the bench as well. We know what a team player he's been his entire career. Never one to complain and always unselfish to a fault. They'll definitely get the best out of Zach coming off the bench.

If Isiah were still only the GM, I wonder if he would be backing his head coach if he wanted to bench 3 (Curry, Zach and Marbury) of his biggest acquisitions?
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12/23/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by oohah:

The new lineup will be: Robinson, Crawford, Lee, Randolph, Jeffries.

oohah

That imo would be the best starting line up to use. The Knicks still wouldn't be all that great though, they'd be more around where Milwaukee is.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 12-23-2007 3:42 PM]
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12/23/2007  3:36 PM
I thought that Isiah said this wasn't the time to be negative but a time where his team needs more hugs?
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12/23/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

The fact that Isiah is now willing to change the line up I think is a sign that he's feeling pressure. To me that's a good sign. Isiah has always been laid back and unconcerned about his future here in NY, but now with his recent comments it seems like he feels that his job is for the first time in jeopardy.
I don't even think he feels pressure. I think he is at a point like, "Why am I starting these players that are playing like they don't care?" "If they don't care why should I care about their feels about starting?"

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12/23/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by oohah:

The new lineup will be: Robinson, Crawford, Lee, Randolph, Jeffries.

oohah

Yup, wise guess.
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12/23/2007  3:38 PM
It took him 27 games into the season to figure out what almost 90% of this board knew the moment the trade for Zach was announced. It was so obvious that Zach and Curry, two slowfooted disinterested defenders were a disaster waiting to happen if they are to be relied upon to man the back of any defense.

Now what? Drag Curry to the bench and watch the little bit of trade value he has left just completely disappear?

So whats the new lineup?

Lee C
Zach PF
Jeffries SF
Craw SG
Nate PG


[Edited by - bigbeast on 23-12-2007 3:40 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 23-12-2007 6:32 PM]
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12/23/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by oohah:

The new lineup will be: Robinson, Crawford, Lee, Randolph, Jeffries.

oohah


You beat me to it. Not that I like that lineup (still a lotto lineup) but it seems like this is where its headed.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 23-12-2007 3:41 PM]
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12/23/2007  3:40 PM
Trade Randolph for Vince Carter
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12/23/2007  3:41 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:

The fact that Isiah is now willing to change the line up I think is a sign that he's feeling pressure. To me that's a good sign. Isiah has always been laid back and unconcerned about his future here in NY, but now with his recent comments it seems like he feels that his job is for the first time in jeopardy.
I don't even think he feels pressure. I think he is at a point like, "Why am I starting these players that are playing like they don't care?" "If they don't care why should I care about their feels about starting?"

Good point, but The starters have been known for sucking it and Isiah always started them anyway. Even the media would ask Isiah if he feels a SL change is necessary but he said no. I guess I'm just combining this with all the BS he spewed a little while ago about how the Knicks are up in attendance, talent, and revenues, which was an obvious message to Dolan. Isiah usually seems to be about justifying his mistakes which is why the SL never changed until now, but now he seems more pressured to deliver results.
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