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BRIGGS
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12/18/2007  10:26 PM
without these crazy trades[like giving up lottery picks for Curry when they were trying to give him 20mm to retire] and good drafting--our payroll could be very flexible right now and we *could* have a team filled with the names Brandon Roy Andrew Bynum Rudy Gay Rajon Rondo Sean Williams etc..a young group of guys who could stay together a long time with a lot of potential to be a championship team for several years. Instead we have a disaster. IT's draft picks for the most part[his supposed niche]when you really take a hard look isnt very good at all.
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12/18/2007  11:28 PM
especially when you consider what could have been with passing of bynum for frye, the 2 picks which could've been roy or gay, or tyrus thomas, the passing of kyle lowry for balkman, just bad stuff all around
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12/18/2007  11:33 PM
That's why this knicks team will remain palying under .500 for a long time. possibly till the next decade.
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12/18/2007  11:33 PM
stop briggs!

I was thinking the same thing watching the lakers-bulls game & the other night when Bynum had 6 blocks.

I don't think his picks have been bad- Frye was the one that yes, you wanted Bynum & isiah should have taken a risk - you had me convinced, along with half the board- and you were right.

And Sean Williams tonight with 6+ blocks
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12/18/2007  11:53 PM
The 2005 and 2006 drafting ranks extremely high in setting this franchise back and I'm not even factoring the picks given away but the selections we made with the picks we had.
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12/19/2007  12:09 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

especially when you consider what could have been with passing of bynum for frye, the 2 picks which could've been roy or gay, or tyrus thomas, the passing of kyle lowry for balkman, just bad stuff all around

I wanted Bynum so bad. I could clearly see at the time that we needed a big man in the middle. He's still only 20 and when you think of it, normally he'd be graduating from college in two more years. That gives you an idea of his potential. chicago screwed us in the playoffs and now their screwing us from the inside.
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12/19/2007  12:44 AM
everyone in the league can play the "who did we pass in the draft" game. the hawks passed on Chris Paul for Marvin Williams. it happens to everyone many times.

the problem is the trading the picks for bad contracts and unproductive, one dimensional players. you have to at least give yourself a shot in the lotto if you are a bad team.
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12/19/2007  12:53 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

without these crazy trades[like giving up lottery picks for Curry when they were trying to give him 20mm to retire] and good drafting--our payroll could be very flexible right now and we *could* have a team filled with the names Brandon Roy Andrew Bynum Rudy Gay Rajon Rondo Sean Williams etc..a young group of guys who could stay together a long time with a lot of potential to be a championship team for several years. Instead we have a disaster. IT's draft picks for the most part[his supposed niche]when you really take a hard look isnt very good at all.

Thats nothing...we could have had Camby and Amare as our one, two punch...
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12/19/2007  1:10 AM
I guarantee you that if any of those players put on the orange and blue they would all have been scrubs, that is why you can never look back. Marbury would have corrupted them and the win now mentality would have made sure they ride the pine way more than they played.
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12/19/2007  1:28 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BRIGGS:

without these crazy trades[like giving up lottery picks for Curry when they were trying to give him 20mm to retire] and good drafting--our payroll could be very flexible right now and we *could* have a team filled with the names Brandon Roy Andrew Bynum Rudy Gay Rajon Rondo Sean Williams etc..a young group of guys who could stay together a long time with a lot of potential to be a championship team for several years. Instead we have a disaster. IT's draft picks for the most part[his supposed niche]when you really take a hard look isnt very good at all.

Thats nothing...we could have had Camby and Amare as our one, two punch...


please, don't do that to me.. I was begging for the knicks to draft amare.... that duo would have had us in at least one finals....

[Edited by - tkf on 19-12-2007 01:28 AM]
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12/19/2007  2:15 AM
our draft picks are the least of our problems

any team would sign up for the value we've gotten vs the slots we picked in
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12/19/2007  7:31 AM
Everything NY does gets over magnified, when they don't pick players and the value of their current players.
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12/19/2007  7:43 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

everyone in the league can play the "who did we pass in the draft" game. the hawks passed on Chris Paul for Marvin Williams. it happens to everyone many times.

the problem is the trading the picks for bad contracts and unproductive, one dimensional players. you have to at least give yourself a shot in the lotto if you are a bad team.
yea.. but at least they got Marvin Williams
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12/19/2007  10:33 AM
Isiah is not a good drafter

PG passed last year: Marcus Williams, Lowry, Rondo, Farmer

Lottery Picks: Gay or Roye, Noah

Allstars passed for Channing: Granger and Bynum which were very easy selections to make

This guy is a disgrace, collins stinks, nate isn't playing, and we solid rotation guys to show for all his picks, not very impressive
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12/19/2007  10:50 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

everyone in the league can play the "who did we pass in the draft" game. the hawks passed on Chris Paul for Marvin Williams. it happens to everyone many times.

the problem is the trading the picks for bad contracts and unproductive, one dimensional players. you have to at least give yourself a shot in the lotto if you are a bad team.

also, you need to factor in the uncertainties of the drafting process - you need to give yourself a couple shots in the lottery. we got one lottery pick out of all these crummy years and used it on frye. i supported the pick, but even with a good drafter like isiah you can't put all your snickerdoodles in one basket. even with our late picks in other years... i was all in favor of picking up and grooming a PG in this last draft, but the guys i talk knicks with were all raving about mardy. again, a pick i support, but you can't keep banking on one young player to meet long term needs.
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12/19/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BRIGGS:

without these crazy trades[like giving up lottery picks for Curry when they were trying to give him 20mm to retire] and good drafting--our payroll could be very flexible right now and we *could* have a team filled with the names Brandon Roy Andrew Bynum Rudy Gay Rajon Rondo Sean Williams etc..a young group of guys who could stay together a long time with a lot of potential to be a championship team for several years. Instead we have a disaster. IT's draft picks for the most part[his supposed niche]when you really take a hard look isnt very good at all.

Thats nothing...we could have had Camby and Amare as our one, two punch...


please, don't do that to me.. I was begging for the knicks to draft amare.... that duo would have had us in at least one finals....

[Edited by - tkf on 19-12-2007 01:28 AM]

yeah me too...the only concern at the time was that he had transfer from so many high schools..That must have scare Layden but the guy had talent...
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12/19/2007  11:46 AM
Posted by MS:

Isiah is not a good drafter

PG passed last year: Marcus Williams, Lowry, Rondo, Farmer

Lottery Picks: Gay or Roye, Noah

Allstars passed for Channing: Granger and Bynum which were very easy selections to make

This guy is a disgrace, collins stinks, nate isn't playing, and we solid rotation guys to show for all his picks, not very impressive

Put any other team's draft record since 2005 up against ours and tell me which teams have drafted better. Isiah is terrible, but this is the one bright spot.
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12/19/2007  12:25 PM
I think we settled this earlier. Isiah is a solid judge of talent that can draft players that can play, but has no ability to use the draft to his teams advantage.
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12/19/2007  12:27 PM
every team can say wow we could have gotten this guy or that guy so what
we have who we have deal with it
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12/19/2007  1:56 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I guarantee you that if any of those players put on the orange and blue they would all have been scrubs, that is why you can never look back. Marbury would have corrupted them and the win now mentality would have made sure they ride the pine way more than they played.

Second it.
The problem is not players but coaching, environment, teammates...
Unfortunately players have no choice, otherwise nobody will stay in NY for more that 1 year.
Money is good thinng but players geting similar money everywhere.






[Edited by - arkrud on 12-19-2007 1:57 PM]
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