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PresIke
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12/17/2007  11:05 PM
- Wasn't even sure if I was going to go to the game even though I bought tickets prior to the start of the season, and because I had another thing to do at 7pm.

- Got to the game with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and it was tied, and took a seat in the 300s with my popcorn and a beer.

- By the time the quarter was ending the boos were already in effect, as they went from a tie game to 10 down (later the official line was 12) to end the quarter, and I'm assuming before that fans were booing as well. I can't get myself to boo, but I sure laughed a few times at the sad state of things.

- The late foul call on Zach at the end of the 3rd was obvious, but when they first ended the quarter and no call, the Knick City Dancers were getting set to come out. However they were then pulled as the refs were reviewing the call. They then made the call (which seemed right), and the Dancers headed out to floor. But as soon as they got on the court they looked surprised after they were then pulled off again. Fans then BOOOOOED that and I just laughed out loud at the fact that it's so bad that we can't even get in between quarters right which is the one thing fans who like women can look forward to. Even after that it was funny, because the quarter was inexplicably delayed for a few more moments with players on the court, as fans cried out "WTF?" (the PG version).

- The 4th quarter was just so bad, that some fans openly admitted to getting tired of booing. I was chanting "Sell the Knicks!" and challenging some fans (in a friendly way) that calling to fire Isiah is not necessarily going to solve the problem with Dolan in charge. The ones I talked to agreed, actually, and I told them that some of you all have been calling for a boycott, which caught the attention of a few surrounding fans who looked at me when I said that.

- Could clearly hear the "We want Nate!" cheers in the 4th which was interesting.

- As others have reported, as soon as the "Fire Isiah" chants hail out from more than a few fans, MSG BLAAAAAASTED some hip-hop beats. I mean REALLY loud, and it was while the Knicks had the ball. The hilarious thing was that some started chanting it to the beat...hahaha...it was seriously lol funny.

- Many were attacking Curry more than a few times, saying he sucked, but Steph didn't get booed at all while I was there.

- The other interesting observation was late in the 4th when Isiah said something to Balkman who was lined up outside the key for FTs. Balkman seemed to talk back to Isiah, in a defensive way, and this went on for a few moments. Soon afterwards, Balkman and Agguire talked and Balkman was still resistant. After the TO was over and Balkman walked away, not seeming to have resolved the matter, Agguire put his hand to his head, which seemed out of frustration, but he seemed to play it off as if nothing happened. I noticed Balkman during an earlier 4th quarter time out, when he was not playing, that he wasn't even paying attention to Isiah in the huddle, but more watching the Knicks acrobats, or whatever they're called. My sense is Balkman may have tuned out the coaching staff, and there is friction there.

- Lee was trying hard late in the game, and deserves credit for having some heart.

- Interesting to see Q take of his headband in the 4th. I saw him in a timeout when the team was down close to 30 points, looked like he was in another world, like "How the eff did I end up in this situation."

Not that you needed me to say this, but things look bad...very bad. This was my first game this year, and other than the new scoreboard(s), MSG needs a serious makeover. I can't believe this is still being sustained. It's like a cancer that needs to be removed, but for some reason we won't seek treatment.

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-17-2007 11:09 PM]
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12/17/2007  11:09 PM
what is with this woe is me Q nonsense some people come up with, he's the worst player on the knicks, hands down. he should just quit.
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12/17/2007  11:10 PM
I can't believe this is still being sustained. It's like a cancer that needs to be removed, but for some reason we won't seek treatment.
What is the inevitable result of this refusal?
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12/17/2007  11:11 PM
Great recap Ike. It's always fun to read those little tidbits about the game that you only get from people who attended. Thanks for the writeup man.

Edit: Also very interesting about Renaldo. I'm sure he's probably disappointed that Vets are playing over him who haven't earned there spots and he busts his ass everytime he's on the floor. It's the same deal with Lee.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-17-2007 11:12 PM]
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12/17/2007  11:11 PM
ike...my condolences that you went.

now seriously, put yourself in the shoes of season ticketholders and having to experience that over and over. it's so tough and you can see how that really can speed up the impatience when it comes to evaluating isiah.

thanks for the recap tho.
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12/17/2007  11:11 PM
its terrible for the players, but you could argue that they should let the players just work it out, or not and if NOT is the answer then we get a stud in Beasley or Rose and welcome them in as the new savior of the franchise
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PresIke
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12/17/2007  11:18 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

what is with this woe is me Q nonsense some people come up with, he's the worst player on the knicks, hands down. he should just quit.

Funny you say that, because I was going to add that when Q took a 3 pointer late in the 4th that bricked I called out, "When was the last time he hit one of those?"

I'm not defending Q as a talent, and I think similar things have come out about Malik. I think the point is that they are professionals who play hard and set an example, whether they suck or not. They have leadership qualities, too bad they can't perform physically.

If we could only transplant Q and Malik's heart and desire into some of our other players we'd probably be a winning team.
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PresIke
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12/17/2007  11:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

ike...my condolences that you went.

now seriously, put yourself in the shoes of season ticketholders and having to experience that over and over. it's so tough and you can see how that really can speed up the impatience when it comes to evaluating isiah.

thanks for the recap tho.

I feel very sorry for you, bro. I can't even imagine what you must feel like, as well as other season ticket holders. I'm glad I didn't buy tickets for more games, which I wanted to. It's beyond ridiculous what's happening now. How some of the young players don't get in the game until we're down 30 in the 4th or not at all (Chandler, Morris) is wack.

I can see why your impatient, because even I've lost it, so I'm sure it's worse for you.

Either way, even this one game was the worst experience I have ever had at a Knick game. The fact that it's still not changing is just beyond baffling.
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12/17/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:

ike...my condolences that you went.

now seriously, put yourself in the shoes of season ticketholders and having to experience that over and over. it's so tough and you can see how that really can speed up the impatience when it comes to evaluating isiah.

thanks for the recap tho.

I feel very sorry for you, bro. I can't even imagine what you must feel like, as well as other season ticket holders. I'm glad I didn't buy tickets for more games, which I wanted to. It's beyond ridiculous what's happening now. How some of the young players don't get in the game until we're down 30 in the 4th or not at all (Chandler, Morris) is wack.

I can see why your impatient, because even I've lost it, so I'm sure it's worse for you.

Either way, even this one game was the worst experience I have ever had at a Knick game. The fact that it's still not changing is just beyond baffling.

it's been festering. this all was exposed 2 years ago but they got rid of the guy that wasn't the real problem.

last year, everything was masked under the guise the team is happy and playing hard...but ultimately, they only won 33 games.

now, they come into the season saying "playoffs playoffs playoffs" and we see how they are responding.

this is nuts.

isiah set this team back almost a decade. unreal. and if we don't do well in the 08 and 09 draft, guess what, we have no shot in 2010 either.
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12/17/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Great recap Ike. It's always fun to read those little tidbits about the game that you only get from people who attended. Thanks for the writeup man.

Edit: Also very interesting about Renaldo. I'm sure he's probably disappointed that Vets are playing over him who haven't earned there spots and he busts his ass everytime he's on the floor. It's the same deal with Lee.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-17-2007 11:12 PM]

Thanks man, glad to do it. I always appreciated djsu's writeup's but I can see why he doesn't do them now...what a joke, seriously.

I agree about Renaldo. I think that Isiah is completely undermining the young players who play hard and don't get burn while others who don't perform do.

I think THE LEAST we can do is make some kind of coaching change. I am starting to wonder if Isiah is angling with Dolan to be removed as coach, but stay on as GM. I know this may not be the answer many want, but it could happen.
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12/17/2007  11:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:

ike...my condolences that you went.

now seriously, put yourself in the shoes of season ticketholders and having to experience that over and over. it's so tough and you can see how that really can speed up the impatience when it comes to evaluating isiah.

thanks for the recap tho.

I feel very sorry for you, bro. I can't even imagine what you must feel like, as well as other season ticket holders. I'm glad I didn't buy tickets for more games, which I wanted to. It's beyond ridiculous what's happening now. How some of the young players don't get in the game until we're down 30 in the 4th or not at all (Chandler, Morris) is wack.

I can see why your impatient, because even I've lost it, so I'm sure it's worse for you.

Either way, even this one game was the worst experience I have ever had at a Knick game. The fact that it's still not changing is just beyond baffling.

it's been festering. this all was exposed 2 years ago but they got rid of the guy that wasn't the real problem.

You mean Frye?
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PresIke
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12/17/2007  11:38 PM
Let me break down..."Fire Isiah" to the beat...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

"Fi......rrre...I......zay....uh!!...


BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

"Fi......rrre...I......zay....uh!!...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

"Fi......rrre...I......zay....uh!!...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

"Fi......rrre...I......zay....uh!!...

BOOOOM...CLAP...BOOM...BOOM...CLAP...

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-17-2007 11:40 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-17-2007 11:40 PM]
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12/17/2007  11:41 PM
I was in section 310. Me and some other kids started some of those "Fire Isiah" chants. As bad as that game was, we definitely had a good time going at Isiah.

It definitely was vicious at the Garden tonight and I'm glad I played my part in that
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