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nixluva
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12/17/2007  10:07 PM
It's gotta be a coaching thing. I've been watching Isiah and the opposing coaches and one thing that just kills me is that Isiah doesn't ride his team when it needs it. You watch other coaches and you see them getting on their players and applying the whip like they're race horses. Isiah doesn't do a thing but sit there and watch the team lose it's energy and focus. We have guys that can play harder than this. What has happened to Balkman? He's looked horrible this year and in this game he was bad again. I don't agree that you can't coach effort. That's BULL. Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, JVG and SVG, Scott SKiles etc. You can find many coaches that constantly exhort their teams to give more effort, even when they're winning!!!

It doesn't mean that he has to be a hardass all the time, but you have to know when to flip the switch and give your team a kick in the butt when it needs it. You have to see bad trends before they fully develop and take action. Isiah waits too long to react. I have no problem with nice guy coaches so long as they know when enough is enough. Also you have to know your personnel. Some teams are so self motivated you don't need to ride them. CLEARLY the players we have are at the total other end of the spectrum. We have low effort players all over the roster and as such you can't ease up on them when they need some kind of push.

I know that some will say that there are guys here who can't take being driven like that, but I don't think that's really it. As long as you aren't doing it out of disrespect, any player will accept a coach doing his job. It's not about Dolan not wanting Isiah to ride the team. This is about doing what needs to be done. I'm not talking about bashing in the press either. That's not gonna work. It's about knowing your players and what to say that will really get in their head. Pulling a Balkman aside and saying "are you just gonna let that guy punk you like that or are you gonna get in his shorts and shut him down?" I don't think Isiah has the pulse of this team and how to make them go. He looks lost and it's sad that Dolan won't take action and get someone in here that can get the most out of this team and lead it for the future.
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12/17/2007  10:10 PM

Isiah is not a good coach bro...he lost the team with the Marbs incident...Changes needs to be made...
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12/17/2007  10:11 PM
There was a disciplianrian here. the players quit on him too. Maybe its the GM's fault?
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12/17/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by azamatbagatov:

There was a disciplianrian here. the players quit on him too. Maybe its the GM's fault?

Brown sucked here too...
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12/17/2007  10:11 PM
Isiah is not a good anything. The players blow chunks of ass and so does Igayah.
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12/17/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Isiah is not a good coach bro...he lost the team with the Marbs incident...Changes needs to be made...


What are you talking about? It was the refs fault that the Knicks lost by 27 points.
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12/17/2007  10:12 PM
Chaney, Wilkens, Herb and Larry weren't good enough either. One was a COY and two were HOFers.

Isiah's style was good enough for 41 wins in Indy. He's an average coach of a below average team that is fractured from within, and he's part of the reason it's broken. I doubt he's the one to fix it.
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12/17/2007  10:14 PM
Nix do you have any comments on what Jermaine O'neal said?
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12/17/2007  10:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by azamatbagatov:

There was a disciplianrian here. the players quit on him too. Maybe its the GM's fault?

Brown sucked here too...


Isiah has had the same thing happem to him that happened to browm, except isiah didn't have the GM stabbing him in the back

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12/17/2007  10:14 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's gotta be a coaching thing. I've been watching Isiah and the opposing coaches and one thing that just kills me is that Isiah doesn't ride his team when it needs it. You watch other coaches and you see them getting on their players and applying the whip like they're race horses. Isiah doesn't do a thing but sit there and watch the team lose it's energy and focus. We have guys that can play harder than this. What has happened to Balkman? He's looked horrible this year and in this game he was bad again. I don't agree that you can't coach effort. That's BULL. Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, JVG and SVG, Scott SKiles etc. You can find many coaches that constantly exhort their teams to give more effort, even when they're winning!!!

It doesn't mean that he has to be a hardass all the time, but you have to know when to flip the switch and give your team a kick in the butt when it needs it. You have to see bad trends before they fully develop and take action. Isiah waits too long to react. I have no problem with nice guy coaches so long as they know when enough is enough. Also you have to know your personnel. Some teams are so self motivated you don't need to ride them. CLEARLY the players we have are at the total other end of the spectrum. We have low effort players all over the roster and as such you can't ease up on them when they need some kind of push.

I know that some will say that there are guys here who can't take being driven like that, but I don't think that's really it. As long as you aren't doing it out of disrespect, any player will accept a coach doing his job. It's not about Dolan not wanting Isiah to ride the team. This is about doing what needs to be done. I'm not talking about bashing in the press either. That's not gonna work. It's about knowing your players and what to say that will really get in their head. Pulling a Balkman aside and saying "are you just gonna let that guy punk you like that or are you gonna get in his shorts and shut him down?" I don't think Isiah has the pulse of this team and how to make them go. He looks lost and it's sad that Dolan won't take action and get someone in here that can get the most out of this team and lead it for the future.

LB tried his method. It didn't work. Isiah tried. He failed. Are we going to wait for a prophet to come and coach this team or are we going to finally get coachable players who play with effort?
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12/17/2007  10:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's gotta be a coaching thing. I've been watching Isiah and the opposing coaches and one thing that just kills me is that Isiah doesn't ride his team when it needs it. You watch other coaches and you see them getting on their players and applying the whip like they're race horses. Isiah doesn't do a thing but sit there and watch the team lose it's energy and focus. We have guys that can play harder than this. What has happened to Balkman? He's looked horrible this year and in this game he was bad again. I don't agree that you can't coach effort. That's BULL. Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, JVG and SVG, Scott SKiles etc. You can find many coaches that constantly exhort their teams to give more effort, even when they're winning!!!

It doesn't mean that he has to be a hardass all the time, but you have to know when to flip the switch and give your team a kick in the butt when it needs it. You have to see bad trends before they fully develop and take action. Isiah waits too long to react. I have no problem with nice guy coaches so long as they know when enough is enough. Also you have to know your personnel. Some teams are so self motivated you don't need to ride them. CLEARLY the players we have are at the total other end of the spectrum. We have low effort players all over the roster and as such you can't ease up on them when they need some kind of push.

I know that some will say that there are guys here who can't take being driven like that, but I don't think that's really it. As long as you aren't doing it out of disrespect, any player will accept a coach doing his job. It's not about Dolan not wanting Isiah to ride the team. This is about doing what needs to be done. I'm not talking about bashing in the press either. That's not gonna work. It's about knowing your players and what to say that will really get in their head. Pulling a Balkman aside and saying "are you just gonna let that guy punk you like that or are you gonna get in his shorts and shut him down?" I don't think Isiah has the pulse of this team and how to make them go. He looks lost and it's sad that Dolan won't take action and get someone in here that can get the most out of this team and lead it for the future.

Nixluva, This roster sucks donkey balls. Everyone but you has realized this by now.
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12/17/2007  10:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:


Isiah is not a good coach bro...he lost the team with the Marbs incident...Changes needs to be made...


What are you talking about? It was the refs fault that the Knicks lost by 27 points.

Tonight's game was a poorly officiated...The Knicks suck large tonight and thats why they lost...Doesn't excuse the fact that the refs sucked tonight...
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12/17/2007  10:30 PM
These players have been pushed by a number of coaches and all of them got fired. Hopefully Isiah attempts to push them too.
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12/17/2007  10:32 PM
I love how people continue to blame the coaches and not the players. The players quit on Chaney, Lenny, LB, and Isiah... yeah it's all coaching.
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12/17/2007  10:35 PM
There are some good players on the Knicks but without guidance they won't accomplish anything and Isiah isn't very good in that dept. There are some dogs on the team and the main dog is Marbury, great athlete great scorer but he doesn't understand basketball and never will he is as raw as the day he came into the league. He hasn't learned the team concept and that AWOL he pulled pretty much determined the teams fate. That incident will haunt Isiah until Marbury is unloaded. The goal this year is to get a high draft pick and that should be the goal this team needs a leader and a player that will take the team by the horn.
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12/17/2007  10:38 PM
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12/17/2007  10:39 PM
I was at the game from late in the 3rd quarter on, and Isiah was riding Balkman late in the 4th about something. Problem is Balkman was talking back. Agguire later talked to him but it seemed futile. Changes have to be made.
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12/17/2007  10:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I love how people continue to blame the coaches and not the players. The players quit on Chaney, Lenny, LB, and Isiah... yeah it's all coaching.

Don't forget the GMing.
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12/17/2007  10:42 PM
Posted by PresIke:

I was at the game from late in the 3rd quarter on, and Isiah was riding Balkman late in the 4th about something. Problem is Balkman was talking back. Agguire later talked to him but it seemed futile. Changes have to be made.

The same thing happened with Lee going to a timeout.
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12/17/2007  10:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I love how people continue to blame the coaches and not the players. The players quit on Chaney, Lenny, LB, and Isiah... yeah it's all coaching.

Don't forget the GMing.

Chaney had a different set of players that quit on him.
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