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TrueBlue
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12/17/2007  12:37 PM
From The Indy Star

Jermaine O'Neal blames the Knicks' 7-16 record on the players and not Isiah Thomas, the man responsible for assembling and coaching those players.

"I think the players have to put up a little bit more effort for the coach," O'Neal told the Indianapolis Star. "They have to figure it out because they have a lot of athletes. Isiah is a great coach, but it's up to the players to want to win, too. If the players don't put out the effort they need to put out then it's going to be a tough road for him."



Ok Lovers spin this one. Back in the day whatever J.O. said concerning I SAY UGH was pretty much gospel. You all remember J.O. crediting I SAY UGH the coach turning him into a man and an All-Star yada yada. But many of you have turned on I SAY UGH the coach this yr blaming him and not the players, yet J.O. says it's the players. So which is it?


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-17-2007 11:48 AM]
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12/17/2007  12:46 PM
I dont disagree with Jermaine O'Neal at all, but he really shouldnt open his mouth.. whens the last time Jermaine has ever played anywhere near a full season?
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12/17/2007  12:46 PM
It seems Jermaine O'neal is the only player in the history of the league who blossomed under Isiah Thomas, and he's not even that good. In fact, he was never great to begin with.

I agree wit O'neal's comments to a certain extent, but he needs to realize Isiah brought them in.
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12/17/2007  12:53 PM
I agree with both comments so far and with what he said. He somewhat acknowledges I SAY UGH laid the bed at the very end of his statement saying "It's going to be a tough road for him."

Jermaine O'neal has been one of the worst leaders in this league for a while now. He's overrated and his contract is an albatross. Yeah he needs to STFU when talking about our team but the truth is the truth no matter who's mouth it's coming from.
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12/17/2007  12:59 PM
We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.
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12/17/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.

I think we're all capable of handling the truth, I'll be the first one to tell you WE SUCK.

But so does O'neal, that's what I'm saying.
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12/17/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.

The Lovers led us to believe if anyone could coach this team it was I SAY UGH but now he's drawing their Ire and feel we do have the players and it isn't their fault. J.O. says it's the players. So who will the Lovers side with?

Oh how the stress never leaves some!
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12/17/2007  1:04 PM
J.O. is correct, it´s that simple. Players have to want to win, have a competitive spirit and basically give a damn. I will not comment on how his career has gone, it has nothing to do with his statement.
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12/17/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.

The Lovers led us to believe if anyone could coach this team it was I SAY UGH but now he's drawing their Ire and feel we do have the players and it isn't their fault. J.O. says it's the players. So who will the Lovers side with?

Oh how the stress never leaves some!

Everytime you make these "Lovers" threads I always ask you to identify who these lovers are but you never do. So one last time, who are these lovers and who exactly made the statements that you suggested they made?

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12/17/2007  1:10 PM
JO plays hard and he plays hurt and he when healthy is a hell of a player. I agree with him. It was a fair and honest assesment.. he didn't let anyone off the hook with his comments..
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12/17/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by tkf:

JO plays hard and he plays hurt and he when healthy is a hell of a player. I agree with him. It was a fair and honest assesment.. he didn't let anyone off the hook with his comments..

He let Isiah off the hook.
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12/17/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by tkf:

JO plays hard and he plays hurt and he when healthy is a hell of a player. I agree with him. It was a fair and honest assesment.. he didn't let anyone off the hook with his comments..

He let Isiah off the hook.


Depends on how you're looking at the comments
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12/17/2007  1:27 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.

The Lovers led us to believe if anyone could coach this team it was I SAY UGH but now he's drawing their Ire and feel we do have the players and it isn't their fault. J.O. says it's the players. So who will the Lovers side with?

Oh how the stress never leaves some!

Everytime you make these "Lovers" threads I always ask you to identify who these lovers are but you never do. So one last time, who are these lovers and who exactly made the statements that you suggested they made?
Anyone who didn't know by last off-season that we needed Isiah and Dolan gone would qualify as a "lover" if we're gonna use the "lover"/"hater" dichotomy IMO.
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12/17/2007  1:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bippity10:

We can't handle the truth. We prefer to just make up mythical excuses.

The Lovers led us to believe if anyone could coach this team it was I SAY UGH but now he's drawing their Ire and feel we do have the players and it isn't their fault. J.O. says it's the players. So who will the Lovers side with?

Oh how the stress never leaves some!

Everytime you make these "Lovers" threads I always ask you to identify who these lovers are but you never do. So one last time, who are these lovers and who exactly made the statements that you suggested they made?
Anyone who didn't know by last off-season that we needed Isiah and Dolan gone would qualify as a "lover" if we're gonna use the "lover"/"hater" dichotomy IMO.


Bigbeast it was during the time when I SAY UGH was named coach of this team and you had several Lovers trying to reason why they felt this was best for the team. One of their first references was Jermaine O'neal quotes from his playing days under I SAY UGH. If you post more frequently there's no way you'd be miffed by the accurate accusations.
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12/17/2007  1:56 PM
TrueBlue is right, even through most of last year Isiah was described as "a great motivator," and even those who were finally agreeing he was a bad GM thought he should be kept on as coach. As evidence they'd reference JO only wanting to re-sign with Indy if Isiah were kept on.

Bird scumbagged him by firing Isiah just after he re-signed, but they did far better under Carlisle then they ever did with Isiah.
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12/17/2007  2:09 PM
Isiah assembled this team and is coaching second year.
If players are bad this is Isiah GM fault, if players are good it's Isiah coach fault.
So I connote see any problems with this.
Isiah sucks for sure. Players... may be.
JO is playing nice guy and it is nothing bad to talk soft about Isiah. He did a lot for him.
But it is not good to do this on the expense of our players.
Specifically with not naming anyone by name.
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12/17/2007  2:11 PM
I think being groomed by Rasheed Wallace, Sabonis, Brian Grant, etc had more to do with his development as a player.

Isiah has not been nor will he ever be a good coach. Look at his starting lineup, you can't be serious the guy lost in the first round every year with some very talented players.....

The coach is the gm, you don't bring in guys that don't play hard and have a history of destroying teams. Isiah hasn't been able to teach any pg skills to our guys as of yet, so i doubt that jermaine's maturation is isiahs doing
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12/17/2007  2:20 PM
It's the players. Red Holzman couldn't win with these losers. But since Isiah Thomas brought every single one of them here, he has to go too.
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12/17/2007  2:32 PM
Posted by Klytus:

It's the players. Red Holzman couldn't win with these losers. But since Isiah Thomas brought every single one of them here, he has to go too.


Holzman wouldn't have lasted any longer than Lenny or Larry. Isiah would have made sure of that.
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12/17/2007  2:50 PM
A great coach can only add so many wins to a roster. It's the players that do the rest. See also: Phil Jackson, Pat Riley
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