The only reason I don't want them to tank is because I want to find out which 1/2 players really are capable of being worth building around. See, there is a benefit to this.

We can learn who to build around while still getting a top pick because the team, no matter how hard they try, simply cannot win that many games. They are that bad. Does that make sense?

I also think that if they tank, we'll somehow wind up with the #10 pick. Stern will rig it lol

Actually, we won't need Stern to rig anything, because Isiah will somehow pick someone in the 2nd round and claim it's a diamond.

Posted by GKFv2:

There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?

I don't know if we are getting to 35- that would mean going 28 & 31 over the last 59 games. I just don't see that.

If this team was going to play that well, we wouldn't have lost 2 straight to the Sixers and followed up losing to the sonics.

I think its going to be a struggle to get a win total out of the 20's.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by GKFv2:

There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?

I don't know if we are getting to 35- that would mean going 28 & 31 over the last 59 games. I just don't see that.

If this team was going to play that well, we wouldn't have lost 2 straight to the Sixers and followed up losing to the sonics.

I think its going to be a struggle to get a win total out of the 20's.

Exactly my point.

Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.

If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.

If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.

I think the idea is that, regardless of how appealing the job is to a prospective GM, that GM would be quite unappealing to us if he viewed the expiring contracts as trade assets.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.

If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.

I think the idea is that, regardless of how appealing the job is to a prospective GM, that GM would be quite unappealing to us if he viewed the expiring contracts as trade assets.

I agree. I'm merely trying to guess what Dolan's reasoning is for not firing Isiah now and giving a reason for why I think Dolan will wait until either the off-season or close to the end of the season to fire Isiah.

Dolan... Reasoning...
Do these things have something in common?
He can fire Isiah after 6 game winning stick and after sliding on the wet flour in the toilet and hurting his ass…


[Edited by - arkrud on 12-16-2007 11:42 PM]

this season's toast... nothing will be accomplished by winning basketball games except prolonging Isiah's tenure here that much longer... that said, as a Knick fan i can't help but be happy when i see them play w/a little fire every now & then.