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4949
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So, there seems to be an indecision here as to what this team should do for the rest of the season. At this point, we're probably somewhere on pace around the Larry Brown record. So! What to support now? Here's your chance to vote on winning (going to the playoffs and winning it all) or tanking for the rest of the season, so we'll have a shot at the top pick (and from what I'm hearing, not much there either).
Hmmmm, I'm tanking, because I want the grand prize.
Nope, I want the Knicks to win as many as possible. A fan never' gives up!
I don't know what I want this team to do at this point.
Doesn't matter what we do. I'm so broken, I can't feel my legs anymore.
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joel
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12/16/2007  7:23 PM
The only reason I don't want them to tank is because I want to find out which 1/2 players really are capable of being worth building around. See, there is a benefit to this.

We can learn who to build around while still getting a top pick because the team, no matter how hard they try, simply cannot win that many games. They are that bad. Does that make sense?

I also think that if they tank, we'll somehow wind up with the #10 pick. Stern will rig it lol
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4949
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12/16/2007  7:31 PM
Actually, we won't need Stern to rig anything, because Isiah will somehow pick someone in the 2nd round and claim it's a diamond.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/16/2007  7:50 PM
There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?
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12/16/2007  7:56 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?

I don't know if we are getting to 35- that would mean going 28 & 31 over the last 59 games. I just don't see that.

If this team was going to play that well, we wouldn't have lost 2 straight to the Sixers and followed up losing to the sonics.

I think its going to be a struggle to get a win total out of the 20's.
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12/16/2007  7:57 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?

So far it doesn't look that way. 5 tankers and nothing else. In reading other post threads, I could've sworn I saw some people debating the tankers. Come out, come out wherever you are debaters!
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12/16/2007  7:58 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by GKFv2:

There is no debate. This is a 35 win team. What's the point of not tanking?

I don't know if we are getting to 35- that would mean going 28 & 31 over the last 59 games. I just don't see that.

If this team was going to play that well, we wouldn't have lost 2 straight to the Sixers and followed up losing to the sonics.

I think its going to be a struggle to get a win total out of the 20's.

Exactly my point.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/16/2007  8:44 PM
I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.
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12/16/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
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12/16/2007  9:29 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.
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12/16/2007  9:45 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.
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12/16/2007  9:59 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.
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12/16/2007  10:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.


I think the idea is that, regardless of how appealing the job is to a prospective GM, that GM would be quite unappealing to us if he viewed the expiring contracts as trade assets.
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12/16/2007  10:10 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.


I think the idea is that, regardless of how appealing the job is to a prospective GM, that GM would be quite unappealing to us if he viewed the expiring contracts as trade assets.
I agree. I'm merely trying to guess what Dolan's reasoning is for not firing Isiah now and giving a reason for why I think Dolan will wait until either the off-season or close to the end of the season to fire Isiah.
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12/16/2007  11:41 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by arkrud:

I don't know.
With Isiah onboard even lottery prize is helpless.

Dolan will fire Isiah at the end of the season- he won't be picking.
If he fired Isiah now, the next GM would be handcuffed because the team has virtually no trade assets. If the team has the #1 pick (or close to that) and a few expiring contracts, the next GM will have a little to work with at least.

What you just said is the same stupid thinking that got us into this mess. Any expiring contracts and draft picks that we have(especially a lottery pick) need to be kept, not dealt.

I did NOT say deal the contracts. I said they're assets to work with. My preference would be to keep the draft picks and let the expiring contracts expire. Most people here know that's what I would do. But whatever the next GM plans to do, merely having those assets will make the job a little more appealing (or less unappealing) than the job would be now. That's why a GM would be completely handcuffed now but less handcuffed in about 6 months.


I think the idea is that, regardless of how appealing the job is to a prospective GM, that GM would be quite unappealing to us if he viewed the expiring contracts as trade assets.
I agree. I'm merely trying to guess what Dolan's reasoning is for not firing Isiah now and giving a reason for why I think Dolan will wait until either the off-season or close to the end of the season to fire Isiah.

Dolan... Reasoning...
Do these things have something in common?
He can fire Isiah after 6 game winning stick and after sliding on the wet flour in the toilet and hurting his ass…


[Edited by - arkrud on 12-16-2007 11:42 PM]
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12/16/2007  11:51 PM
Does this team really have a choice? they tank even when they're trying to win.
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12/17/2007  12:10 AM
this season's toast... nothing will be accomplished by winning basketball games except prolonging Isiah's tenure here that much longer... that said, as a Knick fan i can't help but be happy when i see them play w/a little fire every now & then.
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12/17/2007  1:02 AM
I'm for letting the season playout If the Knicks don't make any significant strides in the next 10-15 games than tank away.

Has anyone noticed the Sixers are playing better basketball since they fired their GM.
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