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Finestrg
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12/16/2007  10:50 AM
Hank Steinbrenner (in Sunday's Newsday):
"It has nothing to do with their demands. It has to do with whether or not I want to do it. Their demands are not that excessive. I don't know if I want to give anything."

Hank on Santana wanting a long-term contract:
"That could be an issue as well. You have to take everything into consideration. It's not just giving up the young players, although Santana's young as well."

He goes on to say that he's happy where the team's at, he likes the young pitchers and Andy coming back was big. But two pretty telling statements. Kat O'Brien says in her article that the Twins now want Alan Horne along with Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera to cement the deal, while the Yankees still appear willing to go Hughes, Melky and a lesser prospect than Horne.

Horne, Hughes and Melky? Man, am I the only one who would've made this deal yesterday or what? And I like Horne a lot (I actually think he's got more ability than Kennedy, who I'd rather see included in this deal over Horne) but, come on, for Johan, this is very reasonable.

Melky's a nice little player but very replaceable in CF, even in house with guys like Brett Gardner, who I think would be an instant upgrade over Melky anyway and give us that legit 50+ SB leadoff threat we haven't had since Knoblauch, or Ajax now that Rowand and Andruw Jones are off the market (Gardner might be more major-league ready at this point out of the two - you give Gardner, who people are comparing to a young Lenny Dykstra and Jacoby Ellsbury, a serious shot to be the CF in the spring while Austin Jackson continues to develop) and although Hughes and Horne show considerable promise, you still have plenty of plus-arms down on the farm waiting their turn that might have even higher ceilings than Horne & Hughes - namely Betances, Sanchez, and Garcia. And we get to hold on to Ian Kennedy, who people love. Hopefully you convince Santana to go 6 yrs, 120 mil. (I'd hate to go 8 yrs. for this guy) and you make the deal. Any thoughts?

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-16-2007 10:54 AM]
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12/16/2007  11:37 PM
as long as we get to keep Kennedy i don't know what's holding up the deal... i think the Yankees are gonna try & unload Matsui's contract in order to clear up a little room for Johan's huge contract.

as for Gardner, he's not really a viable starting option for us in CF IMHO... he's got no pop in his bat whatsoever... if anything he's a stopgap solution at best until Jackson is ready to be called up to the majors... i'd feel more comfortable w/signing Cameron to a 1 year deal if they decide to make the deal for Johan.
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12/17/2007  12:12 AM
Why does Hank feel the need to publicly set deadlines and then never adhere to them? How can anyone take him seriously?
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12/17/2007  7:29 AM
Posted by jaydh:

Why does Hank feel the need to publicly set deadlines and then never adhere to them? How can anyone take him seriously?
Did he say any of the deadlines were broad or just for the particular offer? I thought the deadline with Johan was for the specific offer of Hughes, Melky, and one minor league prospect. Did he really say he would never again talk to Minnesota about anything involving Johan for the rest of his life?
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12/17/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by TMS:

as long as we get to keep Kennedy i don't know what's holding up the deal... i think the Yankees are gonna try & unload Matsui's contract in order to clear up a little room for Johan's huge contract.

as for Gardner, he's not really a viable starting option for us in CF IMHO... he's got no pop in his bat whatsoever... if anything he's a stopgap solution at best until Jackson is ready to be called up to the majors... i'd feel more comfortable w/signing Cameron to a 1 year deal if they decide to make the deal for Johan.

TMS, all indications are that Gardner can be much more than just some 4th outfielder. Many people on the forums at the Yankees' page over at scout.com (pinstripeplus.com), including the editor Patrick who's actually been a guest on the Max Kellerman radio show, commonly refer to him as one of their favorite minor league players, a guy who can be a real difference maker (I've read that Patrick was told by a scout that the only real difference between Brett Gardner and the highly-touted Jacoby Ellsbury is 3 inches). He's not a power guy, true, but he seems to be everything else you would want in a leadoff hitter. He can hit for average, he's a patient hitter who will run deep counts, spray base hits as well as shoot drives into the gap, he's a pretty high OB% guy, can bunt very well & run like the wind plus he can field his position very well (thought by many to posess the best range of all the outfielders in the entire organization) and throw (doesn't have Melky's arm but it's above average - nothing like Damon's or Bernie's). Besides, if you get any power at all out of the leadoff spot, like with Damon in his heyday, that's just gravy anyway and certainly nothing that should ever be expected. And remember Damon's older now and definitely on the decline - for every HR he'll hit for us at this stage in his career, he'll have countless other terrible looking at-bats - you know, those one-handed flailing swings of his where he corkscrews himself into the ground that usual result in some weak off-balance popup somewhere. And for the record, Mike Cameron's another guy on the decline - I'd be suprised if he took a one year deal. Older, lost a step, high strikeout guy. The LaTroy Hawkins of outfielders. I'd rather take my chances with Damon everday if it came down to that.

I like the scrappy, old-school type of player Gardner is at the top of the order and what he can do for the rest of the lineup. For all the A-Rods, Abreus, Matsuis & Posadas, we need a guy who will set the table for them. Bunt hit, stolen base, RBI hit Jeter, 1-0 ----- base hit, single Jeter, 1st and 3rd, HR A-Rod, 3-0. Remember how many solo shots did we hit against Cleveland that last game? 4 runs, 4 solo HRs. I hated how we went out like that....

My whole point is that I think Gardner's time has come and he certainly makes for a nice cost-effective in-house option if we decide to deal Melky as part of this Santana thing and he'd give us some more time to be patient developing Austin Jackson for the future. You know baseball bro, ask yourself how valueable a guy like Brett Butler was for the Dodgers, Jose Reyes is for the Mets (before the long slump), Chuck Knoblauch was for us. There's a good chance Gardner could be that type of guy for us. It might be time to find out.

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-17-2007 09:43 AM]

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-17-2007 09:48 AM]
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12/18/2007  2:41 AM
i would love to give the kid a shot to see if he can hack a starting role, but i wouldn't be comfortable going into the season w/only him slated as our starting CFer, & i don't consider Damon a viable option either... i'd rather have some options at least by signing a vet or making a trade w/a team like SF who can afford to give up some young OF talent back... Jackson will probably be a late Sept. call up in my estimation... of course this will all be moot if Melky doesn't go in that trade.
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