Posted by nixluva:

The trade was fine, since it alone wasn't going to be the answer to all of our problems anyway. It was one move to improve one position and clear out a logjam at guard. Isiah wasn't going to get anyone else with what we had to offer. I still think it was a good trade. The problems this team is having right now aren't just about Zach and Curry not working together. It's about Isiah not really being able to find the right style of play for this team.

Jones is one of the only guys that seems to get it. He penetrates when the time is right and shoots when the defense leaves him open. He will pass the ball and keep it moving as it should, but from what i've seen recently it doesn't appear that Isiah is looking to force defenses to adjust to us. He's letting them dictate the action.

All he keeps doing is running the same plays when Zach or Curry are in there and teams have decided that they'll double hard on our post ups. So the obvious answer is to attack with penetration and passing in order to force the D to adjust and this would create more open looks for Zach and Curry. When ever we actually did that the plays worked, but there's no commitment to that kind of attack. No consistent pick and roll or Curl plays. No consistent spreading of the floor so that Curry and Zach can make a good pass out of the post. OFten the perimeter players don't present them selves so that a clean pass can be made. Curry has been actually looking to pass, IMO too much, but the guads aren't coming to the ball or moving into the open space to receive the pass.

The team looks lost on D and again I think it's coaching. There's no reason why we can't have a defense that will more aggressively double a teams top threat when they put the ball on the floor. We have our guys just chasing and no one is seeing their man and the ball. So it's easy to make the pass to the open man against us. I'm just seeing sloppy execution all over the place and to me that's more about coaching than anything. If you're like Avery Johnson and you demand precision or like Sloan, you're teams will never look like the Knicks have looked.

Do you think there's any chance we might get a new coach anytime soon?

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by nixluva:

The trade was fine, since it alone wasn't going to be the answer to all of our problems anyway. It was one move to improve one position and clear out a logjam at guard. Isiah wasn't going to get anyone else with what we had to offer. I still think it was a good trade. The problems this team is having right now aren't just about Zach and Curry not working together. It's about Isiah not really being able to find the right style of play for this team.

Jones is one of the only guys that seems to get it. He penetrates when the time is right and shoots when the defense leaves him open. He will pass the ball and keep it moving as it should, but from what i've seen recently it doesn't appear that Isiah is looking to force defenses to adjust to us. He's letting them dictate the action.

All he keeps doing is running the same plays when Zach or Curry are in there and teams have decided that they'll double hard on our post ups. So the obvious answer is to attack with penetration and passing in order to force the D to adjust and this would create more open looks for Zach and Curry. When ever we actually did that the plays worked, but there's no commitment to that kind of attack. No consistent pick and roll or Curl plays. No consistent spreading of the floor so that Curry and Zach can make a good pass out of the post. OFten the perimeter players don't present them selves so that a clean pass can be made. Curry has been actually looking to pass, IMO too much, but the guads aren't coming to the ball or moving into the open space to receive the pass.

The team looks lost on D and again I think it's coaching. There's no reason why we can't have a defense that will more aggressively double a teams top threat when they put the ball on the floor. We have our guys just chasing and no one is seeing their man and the ball. So it's easy to make the pass to the open man against us. I'm just seeing sloppy execution all over the place and to me that's more about coaching than anything. If you're like Avery Johnson and you demand precision or like Sloan, you're teams will never look like the Knicks have looked.

Do you think there's any chance we might get a new coach anytime soon?

Unfortunately Dolan is our owner and there in lies the biggest problem for this franchise. We can change coaches and GM's but since this guy is going to take an active role in decisions it's gonna be hard for us to even get a good coach to want to come here, never mind the idea that Dolan would even make a good choice to begin with.

It seems that we're stuck with Isiah and we have to hope that he somehow has an epiphany and realizes how to coach this team. I don't know if he has it in him to recognize the problems and fix them. I still believe that his original concepts for the offense were right, but now he's gone away from motion and is fixated on forcing it into Zach and Curry, despite the fact that teams are overplaying the post feeds. It's just stupid to keep banging your head against a wall like that. The answer is to just use the advantage we have at guard when it comes to breaking down a defense. We've got Jamal, Jones and Nate who can do that with ease. Then you make sure to use picks and cuts to spring the bigs open for short passes and easier scores. Isiah acts like teams don't have film on what we do. He has no deception to the offense no plan B or C.

It's easy to just say it's the players and that they stink, but a GOOD to GREAT coach would get much more out of this team than we've been seeing. That's what i'm seeing. We already knew the team was flawed, but you still should get a decent level of play even from a very flawed team, which most NBA teams actually are. How many teams are really built well? You know who they are cuz they're winning at a much higher clip.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

How many teams are really built well? You know who they are cuz they're winning at a much higher clip.

That quote right there should automatically eliminate the Knicks from you're thinking then man. I'm not trying to be a dick, but the Knicks really aren't built anywhere near well.