playa is our resident KGB spy.

I've heard these stories about how they didn't' land on the moon and how it was all staged. For one thing, thousands of people saw the rockets shoot out into space, live and in person, so that wasn't fake. Also the rockets themselves carried cameras that showed them leaving Florida. And consider, no one had the manipulative power of a computer at hand to disfigure these videos back in the late sixties. The vidoes of men on the moon sure do look real to me. We know they flew out into out space. No question. As a matter of fact, in the early 90's, the space shuttle actually flew around the earth one night and everyone could see it. A white object, out into outspace, flying thousands of miles an hour. I saw it, it was amazing and I wondered what it was, until I heard the news the next moring.So we know they can fly in outspace. It wouldn't be too hard to believe that they landed on the moon. I remember that to. Live on television, in the late sixties. I saw all of the landings for the several years, when it was going on with the Apollo missions. I don't hear any Russians saying we didn't.

Posted by 4949:

And consider, no one had the manipulative power of a computer at hand to disfigure these videos back in the late sixties.

The governments technology is always 3 decades ahead of what the average joe has seen or heard of.

I don't do man on the moon, alien spacecraft, or locknest monsters-bigfoot conspiracies.


Those are for someone else.

Okay, well I watched it again. And I have a few observations this time. From what I understand about space in general, we understand that the moon is only 1/4 the size of earth. So the 'earth rise' would be much, much bigger. Right? And one of the astronauts supposidly took a picture of the first earth rise and there is is. Huge! Almost looks a lot closer to the earth, right? But it's actually just as far away. With that said, I will admit that the earth cannot be that small, because it indicates that they were a lot farther away from earth, maybe even beyond the moon. But on the other hand, they could have been behind the moon, with it being in between them and the earth, which could explain why it looked so small. It's not that clear cut either, because if there is a certain atmosphere that you are viewing something through, then something can easily look a lot larger, as well as a lot smaller. It's an observation and a counter perspective. Now on the light coming on in the capsul and what looked to be some sort of hoax, the narrator says 'as to why they would do this is unknown'. So could it be something else that the filmmaker of this video could have simply used to they're advantage, to say that it was proof that it was a fake? And if it was a hoax, who's to say that they weren't trying to make something that 'looked' like it was actual, just to get something' that looked like they where far away for a reason? Maybe the reasoning was valid. Again, it is another observation that could be misused, to the filmmaker of this video's advantage. Another observation I'd like to make. If I'm not mistaken, isn't it fair to say that we see some land mass in the earth's image that they filmed? If so, then can someone map the proof, to show that the capsul was only a few hundred miles off the ground? I find the information in this video a little vague. Even Neil is short on telling us what he's actually talking about, when he said 'you can finish what we started? Couldn't that be taken either way? And the 'holding tears back' by Neil. How do we know he's actually holding tears back. I find it very convenient also, that he is rarely interviewed, so that it be most unlikely that anyone can question him on this subject anymore? I'm not going to say that this video contents aren't a little strange in a few ways, but I also want more proof. Ironically, I"d believe in UFOs first, before I beleived what this video is saying. Like I said before. I have heard people say this for years. That the landing was fake! I say it's ironic with Neil because there are reports that they claim to have encountered UFOs just before landing and after landing. It has been said that he hesitated stepping down to the surface as the first man, because there was something there watching them (he talks about some of it in his biography). So I gotta ask 'what is all of this about'? Maybe this film is more about them never have landed on the moon. I believe it was landed on, and maybe just not by these guys. Otherwise, this footage has been manipulated by certain individuals for some profit or religious reason. I for one certainly don't think it is impossible to land on it. Afterall, the moon is originally a part of the earth, for you's who didn't know. Happened after the big bang (If I remember correctly) or by some cosmic event that happened a very long time ago, which formed our atmosphere, including the earth and the planets we know about today. The moon just never gave birth like this planet has done. I have another thought in all of this. There are theories about 911, about many other things (including this moon landing). I ask, do any of you think that all of this NASA program might have been made up, just to make another entity to have a reason to make a lot of money? Could all of this just be another way for corporate greed to milk the people once again? It's very hard to believe one against the other, isn't it?

I would like to also say that there seems to be a lot more to all of this strangeness then meets the eye. Apparently we haven't gone back to the moon, because we have been warned. I found out a lot of questionable things, as well as fake things, in all of my studies (interests) into outer space. Things certain people don't want you to know about or things that a lot of people don't want to know about. I truely believe that everything that is happening in the world today, that has happened in the past and what will happened is all somehow connected to what's been going on beyond our airspace. Spooky ****.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-11-2007 11:53 PM]

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-12-2007 12:10 AM]

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-12-2007 12:17 AM]

No expert here. But as to the verification, the rocks would contain minerals not found on earth. There have been asteroids that hit the moon (3.9 billion years ago) that sent fragments of the moon down to earth too.

Posted by kam77:

No expert here. But as to the verification, the rocks would contain minerals not found on earth. There have been asteroids that hit the moon (3.9 billion years ago) that sent fragments of the moon down to earth too.

That's a good point about the asteroids hitting the moon, but the astronauts could just as easily have taken pre-existing samples up with them into space also... don't mind me cuz i'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but the video clip does present some questions that i think should be asked.

Posted by joel:

As one astronaut put it "If it was faked, why'd we have x more?" I forget the #, if it's 11 or 13. The point is, it's real. Keep in mind the technology Nasa/private sector has is always a decade or so ahead of its time. Once sputnik was launched it really was just a matter of time. Hell, the scientists of the 30's/40's were some of the best ever, so it's not that hard to believe.

Too many witnesses were that and if anybody said "it's all bull****" to Neil Armstrong, the force of the punch he would throw would allow one to believe in the force of atomic fuel and its ability to send a ship into space. Hell, the internet was being developed (arpanet) then and they were laying the foundation for what are now 2 satellites entering the edge of our solar system now (Voyagers). In space for the last 30 years. One also needs to look at videos of the control center back then.

All it takes is a good launch, sit tight and don't **** up the trajectory into the lunar orbit so you aren't spun out of control. Oh, and hope for nothing to shred the tiles or windows in the meantime or you'll lungs will burst into bloody flames. Yummy. Regardless, they had the means. It's not like they said "We landed on Jupiter" and aliens built like fridge's popped out ;)

Now that'd be some funny ****.

[Edited by - joel on 12-16-2007 12:22 AM]

Some of the points made, leave it still debatible. But it's not impossible to beleive that all' living matter, sooner or later, breaks out of it's shell and explores it's surroundings. I'm still standing by some info I picked up, about us being warned to stay away from the moon. There's something to this. think about how puiny our minds are, in what we know, what we think we know and what we don't' know that controls many of our thoughts. We live in a world, just like Jim Carey lived it in 'The Truman Show'.