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colorfl1
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12/6/2007  4:09 PM
Is it possible that Craword can flourish into a all-star PG once Marbury is traded or leaves?

If so, this team should explore addition by subtraction...
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12/6/2007  4:56 PM
This team needs a real point guard, not a psuedo-pg. Crawford plays better when he is at the point, but that does not mean he is a good pg. We still need to explore getting someone who can really run this team at that position.
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12/6/2007  5:46 PM
At this point, I would love to see marbury sent home. Maybe you buy him out, and maybe you just hold onto him for a season until his contract is expiring.

Then I would love to see Crawford play the point for awhile. Not because I think he is any sort of solution at pg, but I think it could definetely up his trade value. At least if his apg are up and his ppg are up, you can at least justify some of the to's and you have something to sell to other teams.

Plus if we really stink, that just ups our draft pick.
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12/6/2007  8:22 PM
Craw can be a good starter for this team... maybe not Allstar levels but there's not many PG's in the game that can check him 1 on 1 other than maybe Kidd & Billups... his defense & shot selection is the issue, but you pair him w/a defensive minded G who can play off the ball & hit the open jumper & add a big who can play low post defense & block shots, & this team can succeed IMHO.
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12/6/2007  9:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

Craw can be a good starter for this team... maybe not Allstar levels but there's not many PG's in the game that can check him 1 on 1 other than maybe Kidd & Billups... his defense & shot selection is the issue, but you pair him w/a defensive minded G who can play off the ball & hit the open jumper & add a big who can play low post defense & block shots, & this team can succeed IMHO.

and preferable a 2 with actual size (as opposed to our midget nate) with a legit outside shot so we don't have to depend on Craw for outside shooting.

Craw, though, is a tweaner in every sense of the word - half pg/half sg, unstoppable one game, can't score to save his life - half all star, half scrub - half starter, half bench player.
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12/6/2007  9:21 PM
Posted by TMS:

Craw can be a good starter for this team... maybe not Allstar levels but there's not many PG's in the game that can check him 1 on 1 other than maybe Kidd & Billups... his defense & shot selection is the issue, but you pair him w/a defensive minded G who can play off the ball & hit the open jumper & add a big who can play low post defense & block shots, & this team can succeed IMHO.

Something seems very wrong when you're PG's biggest problem is shot selection
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12/6/2007  10:16 PM
Jamal can orchestrate & get guys easy baskets... he's had plenty of double digit assist games which tells me he has the skills to run an offense... shot selection isn't as much of a problem when he's playing that role of orchestrator IMO.
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12/6/2007  11:27 PM
Steph is not going anywhere.
You will see a lot of white towels another 2 years.
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12/6/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Steph is not going anywhere.
You will see a lot of white towels another 2 years.
Steph will go next year if the management decides that lowering payroll is not as important as getting assets in return for his $20,000,000 expiring contract.
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12/7/2007  12:01 AM
Jamal is not a point guard.. he is not a playmaker...he knows very little about running an offense...Marbs is not that great at it either but you notice a huge, huge difference when Marbs is running the offense as opposed to the other fill ins...Huge difference...

By the way, Marbs is not going anywhere...


[Edited by - holfresh on 12-07-2007 12:02 AM]
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12/7/2007  12:04 AM
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
Marbs isn't going anywhere. Marbs is here to stay.
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12/7/2007  12:11 AM
Posted by holfresh:

Jamal is not a point guard.. he is not a playmaker...he knows very little about running an offense...Marbs is not that great at it either but you notice a huge, huge difference when Marbs is running the offense as opposed to the other fill ins...Huge difference...

By the way, Marbs is not going anywhere...


[Edited by - holfresh on 12-07-2007 12:02 AM]

yeah, ur probably right... he's also probably not even an NBA player... i'm not even sure if he even exists to be honest with you.
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12/7/2007  12:26 AM
I disagree. Marbs likely isn't going anywhere as long as Isiah is running things. That is why these next two games against Philly are key. If we can just squeak out two more bad losses, Isiah's time might be over.

Marbs doesn't have the goods on the hext gm, so once Isiah is out the door, so is marbs.

I happen to prefer marbs to crawford at pg, but it is time for a clean break. This team isn't winning anything anytime soon, and I can't really see marbs creating any trade value for himself considering his contract. It is time for marbs to go somewhere else, and for JC to run the show for a while. At least until Crawford's trade value goes up.
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12/7/2007  12:48 AM

Craw's trade value won't go up running the point...
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12/7/2007  2:19 AM
Marbury is likely gone by next year... he has a 20 Million dollar expiring contract for any team looking to get under the cap.
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12/7/2007  7:25 AM
Posted by colorfl1:

Marbury is likely gone by next year... he has a 20 Million dollar expiring contract for any team looking to get under the cap.

And we'll get another Zach Randolph type player with a bad contract that a team is looking to dump. And people will talk about how the trade was a steal because we got the more talented player. But it won't produce any wins.
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12/7/2007  9:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by colorfl1:

Marbury is likely gone by next year... he has a 20 Million dollar expiring contract for any team looking to get under the cap.

And we'll get another Zach Randolph type player with a bad contract that a team is looking to dump. And people will talk about how the trade was a steal because we got the more talented player. But it won't produce any wins.
I can think o several games already that we would have lost had Zach not been on the court in the closing minutes. And the team played far worse when he was away on bereavement leave... hate the coach-gm all you want, but the evidence shows that Randolph has made this team better.
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12/7/2007  11:14 AM
Posted by holfresh:


Craw's trade value won't go up running the point...


I think it might. It is going to give him more access to the ball, which is going to lead to more points and more assists. This is especially true once you take marbury out of the offense. A backcourt partner like fred jones is going to take a lot less shots then marbury, and fred jones is going to handle the ball a lot less as well. I'm not saying his fg% is necessarily going to go up, but that could as well, if he develops more responsibility as the floor leader and takes some better shots.
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12/7/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by TMS:

Craw can be a good starter for this team... maybe not Allstar levels but there's not many PG's in the game that can check him 1 on 1 other than maybe Kidd & Billups... his defense & shot selection is the issue, but you pair him w/a defensive minded G who can play off the ball & hit the open jumper & add a big who can play low post defense & block shots, & this team can succeed IMHO.

and preferable a 2 with actual size (as opposed to our midget nate) with a legit outside shot so we don't have to depend on Craw for outside shooting.

Craw, though, is a tweaner in every sense of the word - half pg/half sg, unstoppable one game, can't score to save his life - half all star, half scrub - half starter, half bench player.

Guys like Raja Bell, Fred Jones, would be excellent fits next to Crawford.
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12/7/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by colorfl1:

Marbury is likely gone by next year... he has a 20 Million dollar expiring contract for any team looking to get under the cap.

And we'll get another Zach Randolph type player with a bad contract that a team is looking to dump. And people will talk about how the trade was a steal because we got the more talented player. But it won't produce any wins.
I can think o several games already that we would have lost had Zach not been on the court in the closing minutes. And the team played far worse when he was away on bereavement leave... hate the coach-gm all you want, but the evidence shows that Randolph has made this team better.

Not much else has changed as far as the roster is concerned. So making the team better means winning more games than the previous season.
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