Utah:
when sloan got boozer, okur, deron williams......it was a wrap....they guys just started playing well.

Clevland:
I think they suck, but they let lebron ball handle and they stuck 3pt shooters at both guard positions. Gooden and big z are decent inside guys that are both comfortable inside and out.

Orlando:
Dwight howard gets all the rebounds and blocks while everyone else is shooting threes. Rashard and turk at the 4/3 makes so much sense here. Nobody thought they would mesh so fast.

Pheonix:
They came out the gate smoking cuz everything for them worked. Point guard, coach, players strengths, etc

Nets:
Same as the suns

What happened to Miami and Chicago? Paxson is an idiot. How long did he think he could get away with the flawed roster he has? He thought he had the complete packedge and Ben Wallace was the missing piece? No need to pick up Gasol? Draft more ben wallaces in back to back years? Idiot.

Pat riley is the master of the revamp so im not worried about Miami.

The Bucks had Charlie V and still drafted YI. Stupid asses cuz they refuse to play them together. Bogut is a bust. Micheal Redd equal Mitch Richmond part 2.

Boston went all in and picked up 2 of the most honorable, unselfishly smart, generals. Not to be confused with going all in on Marbs and Curry who are on totally opposites sides of the spectrum.

I can go on and on......

The knicks have been together 3 years now with the same jokers. How long does it take to play basketball? How long?

Lets start with draft night:

Me and DJ talked about this......after the Zach trade which was a fabulous trade.......what was the follow up? David Lee should have been shipped for a massive upgrade. David lee's value was at a retarded high after his awesome season. Once isiah made the decision to get zach, david lee was immediately useless to the Knicks.

Q was coming off back surgery. Did isiah assume he would all of a sudden start putting up Caron Butler numbers?

Isiah kept Mardy Collins knee surgery a secret? Ok so when were you gonna try to get a replacement. Did Isiah think Mardy will be ready to drop 15/6/6 off the bench?

What is the deal with Nate? Are you going with him or are you gonna keep benching him when he's the best shooter and point guard prospect the knicks have? He's a 3 year vet now.....make a decision.

Craw....knicks best scorer. When are you gonna have him taking his dribbling and passing skills off screens directing his action towards the basket?

Isiah is on record saying him and Marbs "go through this" refering to massive fights over his role "every year". Ok so when do you trade him and move on? Get someone who will fit what you want in a point guard *******.

Balkman still can't get run. Jared can't get run either. Wilson Chandler isn't even on the Mayors ballot anymore........and yeah....the knicks still need a starting small fwd. What a waste of space.....are you kidding me?

What can Randolph morris do for you?

Isiahs problem has been making the right moves @ the wrong time but thinks he cured cancer. The opportunity to get the knicks right keeps passing us by.

Have a plan and go all in on it. Zach and eddy together is a good idea but not so when you have the massive retards around them. Zach and eddy need shooters, they need a point guard that can not only feed the post, cuz Scott Brooks could feed the post. They needed a point guard to get the offense going, make the right moves, direct the ball where it should go, improvise the right way, and score when the team needs a basket. You don't say "marbs is capable". He hasn't done it.....so trade him or shandonize him.

82 games? Marbs is what a 10 year vet? 820 games of being around basketball?

You simply can't say you are going to be a power team if you don't have a the intangibles ready to go all in.

Its not rocket science!

Chemistry, strategy and getting all the players to play at their strengths and play together is the coach. So that's factor no.1

The second factor is whether these are really good players. Knicks players are flawed in a lot of areas and the way the rotation is set up, the players who can complement each other to mask the flaws often don't play together. So factor no.2 is based on mish/mash talent from the players and again, bad coaching.

Finally people have to buy in. Some Knicks players are apathetic about getting better and others are very selfish. So factor no.3 is player's attitude and lack of motivation from the coaching.

Well come on Spree I SAY UGH is only in his 4rth yr of a 9-10yr rebuilding plan! Remember he's comparing our situation of very rarely winning here and rebuilding along the time frame of the Bulls. Instead of comparing to the absolute highest standard he tried to compare to what he thought was lower standard which was a slap to ours and his face.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-05-2007 11:13 AM]

"Me and DJ talked about this......after the Zach trade which was a fabulous trade.......what was the follow up? David Lee should have been shipped for a massive upgrade. David lee's value was at a retarded high after his awesome season. Once isiah made the decision to get zach, david lee was immediately useless to the Knicks."

I've been waiting for the follow up trade for several years now.

Posted by tkf:

The difference is the core players of those teams..

Dwight: A true franchise talent, desire, hard worker, great rebounder, shot blocker and a true thirst to want to be great


the jazz: williams and boozer are blue chip players, they know how to play the game..

Suns: amare, nash and marion.. 3 damn good, ball players who excell in various facets of the game, they are not just good, they are very damn good...

Knicks have a flawed approach, a flawed team, flawed players, the few good players they have don't have those one or two all around good players who can lead them and do all the other things that are missing...

Put it this way.. we are building around curry and crawford... that where the problem starts.. add in zach and marbury and the problem is compounded.. having lee, balkman and other play hard, is just not enough to keep this sinking ship afloat....

IF THE KNICKS HAD STEVE NASH OR JASON KIDD AS THEIR PG THERE WOULD BE NO CHEMISTRY ISSUES WITH THIS SQUAD!

i think coaches can put teams in better positions to be successful, but ultimately, a coach can only do so much.

sam mitchell won 27 games 2 years ago.
colangelo adds 9 new players.
sam mitchell won coach of the year (and 47 games).

did mitchell become a better coach or did the talent base improve? i disagree vdesai, chemistry is not about coaching, chemistry is about putting players with skillsets that help each other. and that includes mental skillsets.

our players don't really know how to play team basketball and it's evident by the results on the court.

orlando won 41 games last year. but made a huge change by adding rashard lewis, a 6'10 skinny guy as a PF, and added svg as coach. they are 15-4. 15-4 and going 10-2 on the road, including beating teams out west!!!! how in the blue heck does that happen?

but i know how it happens, and earl isn't going to like this but it comes down to bball iq.

for example: i'm watching the raptors obliterate the boobcats the other night. simple play. ball goes into the post from calderon to rasho. the ball gets batted away. anthony parker picks it up but without a single second hesitation, passed it IMMEDIATELY out to delfino for a 3...and he hit the shot.

that play by anthony parker is about his ability to recognize the situation and make that pass without hesitation. and he was doing that from day 1 on the team. delfino just joined the team this year so it's not a situation of learning how to play together.

meanwhile, every pass we make is a second to late. it seems like our guys aren't sure what to do. and i think it's b/c they don't know how to play basketball. they can score. but they can't play basketball.

is it on the coach to teach them? when we are talking about a starting 5 with at least 7 years experience each, maybe it's time to realize it's the players inability to learn.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Coach and Location

The location can't be changed, so if we have players that can't play in NY that was bad GMing to bring them here.

And in recent years we've been through one Coach of the Year, two HOFers, plus Herb and Isiah. When you have a team that struggles to jive with that many coaches it's probably not the coach.

Posted by djsunyc:



did mitchell become a better coach or did the talent base improve? i disagree vdesai, chemistry is not about coaching, chemistry is about putting players with skillsets that help each other. and that includes mental skillsets.

Part of that is on the coach, no? Some of the pieces are here to fill the weaknesses, but I agree that there are pieces missing, and you should minimize the flaws in the first place.

But for example, Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph need someone who can play last line of D, hustle after loose balls and play a little enforcer to cover up for their weaknesses. So why don't they play with Renaldo Balkman or David Lee to cover up for them? And why are htey playing with each other.

Marbury/Craw need a smart player who can guard the perimeter and can be unselfish enough to take over ballhandling when the need arises for them to score. So why do they play with each other?

My whole thing with isiah is you have to complete the plan. If a guy isn't working you have to move them.....don't hope they will fit in.......trade the bastards that can't play. Simple......jason richardson was available obviously if the warriors just gave him away.....wally z, korver, jeff green, klieza, jarvis hayes, josh childress, ricky davis, matt barnes, vlad rad, artest, salmons, francisco garcia, etc......all available especially for expiring contracts of dickau and fred.

That euro point guard from san antonio that's on the kings right now.....

Comb the ****in league....there are plenty of talent dandling......even flip murray @ point is an option especially next to craw. Detroit was gonna let him go but signed him last minute.

If you look around the past few years you will notice that all you need is 2 or 3 great players to put yourself in the mix. But instead of going for two elite players and filling in the blanks, we instead go for 10 above average ones. This in itself wouldn't be all that bad if some of those players had actually won before.