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Did Berman Get An Extension From Marbury Rcently?
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TrueBlue
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12/4/2007  4:20 PM
Seriously this guy has been an All-Time worst allying with Marbury

Isiah Thomas deserves every boo and "Fire Isiah'' chant he gets. Marbury does not. He's not the reason the team is 5-11. Marbury's defection from the team put them in a malaise on the West Coast but there is more to the story.

In truth, if you want to single out one player, it is Quentin Richardson who can't shoot the ball because of his sore elbow but Thomas continues to start him. Quentin, despite his ailments, went out of his way to antagonize the Celtics, who were so revved they looked like they wanted to beat the Knicks by 100 points.

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The inconsistent play - on both ends - of Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford have more to do with the team's record than Marbury. It shouldn't have taken the death of Marbury's father for the boos to stop.



http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/a...get_t.html


Marbury is being made the unfair scapegoat. Yes, Marbury should not have left Phoenix over his benching for Mardy Collins even though Thomas told him to go. But it does appear how right Marbury was, how wrong Thomas was. The past two games, Collins has played just one second. Obviously, Thomas has admitted his mistake.

Give Marbury credit for shrugging off the boos in stride. Don’t think any other player could handle the booing like he has without being bitter.


He laughed about it after the big Bulls win. “All our lives I’ve lived by that,’’ Marbury said. “We know people are going to boo or cheer. I like the cheers after the game when we win. It doesn’t matter if you cheer during a game if we’re losing. If we win, the ovation of winning, that’s enjoyable.’’

The feud between Thomas and Marbury appears to be thawing, just like it thawed last November when Marbury struggled and they went at it. “Marbury played great today,’’ Thomas said. “November’s almost over, so we should be OK.’’

And soon, perhaps Marbury will be OK with the booing fans too.



http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2007/11/stop_booing_ste.html


They are not as deep as advertised. They need everybody to make this work. Renaldo Balkman and Jared Jeffries are back, healthy and coming off the bench to provide a major defensive spark and energy boost.

Zach Randolph is here for good and – despite some exasperating turnover moments – makes clutch plays to win games. Marbury? He’s playing his butt off now. But why did it take that demotion to get himself playing like a monster and leader.


http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2007/11/easy_climbing_b.html

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-04-2007 3:51 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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MS
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12/4/2007  4:25 PM
He is a little pro marbury

But Crawford and Curry always get a free pass and no blame is ever put on their shoulders. Isiah was quick to point out Marbury's tough start to last season but Crawford shot it at 30% the first month of last season......

The real problem is Curry he doesn't try to get back into plays, doesn't step up and is just plain stupid has no concept of how to play the game. I am not putting anything on Q if you unable to shoot and your trying on both ends fine. There is no effort from the baby bulls
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12/4/2007  4:33 PM
MS, there are certainly more flawed players on the court than Marbury, but none of them can compare to the distraction that Marbury is. Marbury is just an energy-suck on so many levels.
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12/4/2007  5:06 PM
It's nobody's fault. We always want a scapegoat in NY, but the reality is that no one on this team has stepped up and lifted the team. But......

As a coach if you ask me what I want more, a player that is playing poorly but showing up everyday and busting his butt, or a player that is playing well but leaves the team because he doesn't like the decision I make? The answer is obvious.

Lastly, blaming Q for the Celtic loss for "revving up the Celtics" is a ridiculous statement. I shall ask the question, why weren't the Knicks equally "revved up"
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12/4/2007  5:24 PM
This city ALWAYS needs a goat.

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12/4/2007  5:24 PM
Sounds like Berman got maxed. And that's factorial.
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12/4/2007  5:26 PM
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12/4/2007  5:30 PM
Posted by TRU:

This city ALWAYS needs a goat.

Yeah it drives me nuts. I'm not a Marbs fan but blaming him for the failures of this team over the past 8 years is as ridiculous as blaming Allan Houston and Patrick Ewing and Charlie Ward and Latrell Sprewell and Eddie Curry and Larry Brown and Lenny Wilkens and Don Chaney and Isiah Thomas and................

They've all played a part. Some more than others, but they all have played a part. I look at this team and I see no leaders. No defense. Nobody stepping up their play. It's time to find what we have been missing for years. This team needs a leader that we can build around. Until you find that player you must find leaders(that play) that can show the young guys the proper work ethic and habits it takes to become great players. Without these two things you are destined for what we have shown the last few years. Why does anyone think we need anything else? There is an obvious starting point here and it seems that only Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkens and Larry Brown understood it. We need a leader!!!!!!!!!
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12/4/2007  5:54 PM
Posted by TRU:

This city ALWAYS needs a goat.

Who's scapegoating Marbury? I could understand if someone was saying "we'd have a great team if only it weren't for Marbury," but I don't see anyone saying that.

This is just how fans of players scape-goat the fans rather than letting their guy take some heat.

You see it elsewhere on the board with people asking "why is Zach Randolph being scapegoated." How can Marbury be accused of being solely at fault if Zach is too, and vice versa? Not to mention all the blame that's laid on Isiah, Eddy, Jamal and others. See, Zach's fans are also merely deflecting criticism back to the fans.

The biggest irony is that it's usually the posters who spread the blame all around between ownership, the GM, the coach and many, many of the players who are the first to be accused of scapegoating some single individual.
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12/4/2007  6:20 PM
you'all, it's escapegoat. get your factorials correct.
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12/4/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by martin:

you'all, it's escapegoat. get your factorials correct.

We are breviating. That's how people do it nowadays.
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12/4/2007  6:28 PM
The real escapegoat is Zack Randolf, the white wizard.
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12/4/2007  7:09 PM
Isiah Thomas made Mebury into his scapegoat.
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12/4/2007  7:14 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Isiah Thomas made Mebury into his scapegoat.

By telling him he's going to bench him until he's ready to play defense and orchestrate the designated plays in the final seconds? I hope he'll do the same for whoever replaces Marbury too.
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12/4/2007  7:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TRU:

This city ALWAYS needs a goat.

Who's scapegoating Marbury? I could understand if someone was saying "we'd have a great team if only it weren't for Marbury," but I don't see anyone saying that.

This is just how fans of players scape-goat the fans rather than letting their guy take some heat.

You see it elsewhere on the board with people asking "why is Zach Randolph being scapegoated." How can Marbury be accused of being solely at fault if Zach is too, and vice versa? Not to mention all the blame that's laid on Isiah, Eddy, Jamal and others. See, Zach's fans are also merely deflecting criticism back to the fans.

The biggest irony is that it's usually the posters who spread the blame all around between ownership, the GM, the coach and many, many of the players who are the first to be accused of scapegoating some single individual.


This is so true I bet there are a handful of fans who don't have current Knick binkies(I'm one of them, I know Isles is another, Major ditto, and I'd assume yourself) hence everyone else does and chooses to defend them for unjustifiable reasons. We don't have winners on this team. The players we have before they were Knicks were losers. Why defend them?



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-04-2007 9:57 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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12/4/2007  8:03 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


Who's scapegoating Marbury? I could understand if someone was saying "we'd have a great team if only it weren't for Marbury," but I don't see anyone saying that.
These kinds of coments have been being made consistantly for 3 years. addition by subtraction, even in the thread about Marb's father dying. If you dont see anyone saying that, you are blocking it out of your mind.
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12/4/2007  8:46 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by BlueSeats:


Who's scapegoating Marbury? I could understand if someone was saying "we'd have a great team if only it weren't for Marbury," but I don't see anyone saying that.
These kinds of coments have been being made consistantly for 3 years. addition by subtraction, even in the thread about Marb's father dying. If you dont see anyone saying that, you are blocking it out of your mind.


I can't vouch for what's said here or there by random posters. The quote I responded to said "this city" loves a goat. Which refers to the masses. In my experience for the first 2-3 years Marbury was given LESS THAN his fair share of the blame. It was always the fault of other players, the coach, injuries, or a scrub. That's why I put in the research I did, so that we could see that his troubles followed him and were not unique to here.

A definition of a scapegoat is: Someone made to take the blame or punishment for the errors and mistakes of others.

When a person is made to take the blame for the errors and mistakes of themselves I'd call it accountability. Steph is in no way above or apart from what has transpired over his term here.

But again, when the masses want the whole team held to account, including Dolan, Mills, Isiah the GM, Isiah the coach, and most of the players, it's hard to argue that one man is being singled out.
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