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azamatbagatov
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12/4/2007  12:53 PM
December 4, 2007 -- IN theory, Cablevision is a communications conglomerate. Daily we're bombarded with commercials boasting about its capability of putting subscribers in instant touch with the world by phone, TV and the Internet.

Yet the company's decision-makers at Madison Square Garden could not or would not relay a life-and-death message to an employee in the same building Sunday night until he finished his job.

Immediately upon learning Donald Marbury Sr. had suffered chest pains and left the Knicks-Suns game at halftime for the hospital, where he died soon after, those in authority should have apprised Stephon of his already ailing dad's condition.

They flagrantly failed to do so.

Who doesn't find this both incomprehensible and reprehensible?

As usual, Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas had no clue how to deal with a critical situation.

Once again, the Garden president and Knicks president/coach handled things ineptly and inappropriately.

Even if Mills and Thomas were not aware of what had happened to Donald Sr. until the Suns' 11-point victory had been concluded, even if it was the fault of some other dope down their cheesy chain of command (surely someone in security knew an ambulance was called for the 68-year-old), the buck stops at the bosses, starting with Chuck and James Dolan.

Isn't that what Thomas finally owned up to recently? Isn't that what he keeps telling us? That "It's on me!" Well, it is on Thomas, and it's on Mills, and most of all it's on the "May We Offer Our ConDolances."

Together this familiarity of fools has created a contaminated atmosphere at the Garden where irrationality and insensitivity rules, and underlings conduct themselves accordingly, petrified to say or do anything without the expressed consent of Sonny Superior.

What an inexcusable fiasco!

Imagine how we'd feel had our old man, sitting just rows away, required a stretcher and we weren't at once alerted.

Imagine how we'd feel had our employer taken it upon himself to hold back such serious info for whatever obtuse reason.

Imagine how we'd feel had someone denied us possibly a last chance to see and talk to our father while he was still alive.

Reports claim a family member said not to burden Stephon with the emergency. As if the game were more important. The reality is, it wasn't up to Mills or Thomas or any other dimwit down the food chain to keep the plight of Donald Sr. on the down low. This was his father. As soon as Garden personnel knew there was a crisis, Stephon deserved to be the very next person to hear about it; let him decide what to do.

Both Mills and Thomas have lost fathers. They should know better. Whom were they trying to protect, Stephon or the Knicks? Thomas is on the record saying he'd trade his mother to improve the team (i.e., win). At the start of the fourth quarter, the Knicks only trailed the Suns by one.

Am I being way too harsh? Stick around for the column closer and then decide.

Before going there, Mills and Thomas are so over their heads they even mismanaged the postgame information process. With an opportunity to pretend they're a class organization and explain to the media - at Isiah's ritualistic postgame press conference - what had happened, everything was kept a secret for 45 minutes or more.

We're told the Knicks didn't want any members of the Marbury family to first hear about Donald's death on the 11 o'clock news.

Sounds like another one of Thomas' genius thoughts. How long has it been since anybody near a TV isn't also equipped with a cell or conventional phone? Bad news travels fast, especially within a family as supportive and in touch with each other as the Marbury clan.

What Thomas should've done was to inform the media of the tragedy, ask it to respect Marbury's grief/privacy if you see him in the locker room or hallway, and to please restrict questions strictly to the game.

What Thomas should've told the gathering is this: "We know you have a job to do and deadlines to meet, but right now we're a shaken team, our prayers go out to Stephon and his family, but right now you know as much as we do about this."

Instead Thomas left everybody wondering why he refused to discuss the first few minutes of the fourth quarter when the game got away from the Knicks. Is that when Marbury "actually" found out his father had left? Did he hear it from Thomas or a family friend?

Either way, if indeed that happened, you'd think Thomas would've been sufficiently concerned about his player's head and heart to get him out of the game and on his way to the hospital. But after all the craziness and unanswered questions that continue to surround Marbury's recent AWOL (involving, ironically, these same Suns), I guess that would be too much common sense to expect.

Let's face it, if this weren't one of the NBA's all-time dysfunctional operations and wasn't run by aberrant behaviorists I wouldn't be throwing this out there.

Additionally, I know things about Thomas that convinced me long ago he cares little about his players and mostly about saving his job; winning is somewhere in between.

Jamaal Tinsley grew up an Isiah Thomas fan, the reason he wears No. 11, yet found out early as a Pacer how quickly Isiah would write you off if you didn't put him ahead of personal matters.

When Jamaal needed time off to visit his cancer-stricken mother in Maryland during the '02-'03 season, Thomas offered none of his infamous love or even a little sympathy. In fact, had team president Donnie Walsh not given permission, I'm not so sure Jamaal would've been excused.

When Jamaal's mother died March 24, 2003, the Pacers chartered a plane on an ensuing practice day to take the team to the Brooklyn wake. Only four teammates were decent enough human beings to make the trip: Jeff Foster, Jonathan Bender, Al Harrington and one other whose name escapes me.

Team captain Reggie Miller, who comes from a solid family and should know better and rags players on TNT for not doing the right thing on and off the court, stayed home.

So did Thomas; you remember him, that great leader of men often heard spouting how youngbloods need strong guidance and a positive example. How can a coach ask players to dig in on defense as a team and not insist they comfort a teammate as a unit?

Worse yet, Thomas forbid his assistant coaches to board the charter.


No matter how much success Larry Bird attains in Indiana he'll never top that first command to fire Thomas.



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12/4/2007  12:58 PM
Yeah, Vecsey went off but if a Marbury family member did indeed instruct MSG to let Marbury play out the game then all of what he said is off base. I agree with him, and I'd hate to be that family member who potentially (we still dont know really) denied Marbury a chance to be with his father before he died or why he was dying, but if that's how it went down then this entire article reads like a number of us fans (like myself) on Monday basically releasing frustration from this team onto this particular event not really knowing what was right and wrong.

I still say it was grossly mishandled because I can not conceive such logic but if what has since been reported did indeed happen then there's no merit to his rant (other than the Knicks stink).


I still wonder, if a family member made the decision, why did Marbury throw a fit? Why did a family member (supposedly) call into a radio talk show and lambaste the Knicks and say Marbury was done with them?

There's still some pieces that don't fit. I'd assume once Marbury gathers himself we'll get the truth - or for all we know - a little damage control to keep matters private.
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12/4/2007  1:04 PM
yeah, definetly seems like something is missing here. It all doesn't add up. In my opinion. I definetly wouldn't put it past this franchise....

I was repulsed to read how isiah handled the tinsley situation, so it really makes me think anything is possible with this clown steering the ship
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12/4/2007  1:10 PM
Regardless I don't think Isiah knew until Marbury knew. I think the separation of who knew and did not know occurred higher up. The incident occurred at half time so no Knick players or coaches saw the commotion in the stands. They came out of the tunnel and went on and played the 2nd half unaware of what had transpired. SO it was higher up.

Whatever happened, be it family member discretion, or MSG not wanting a scene - somebody really screwed that up and it's unfortunate.
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12/4/2007  1:36 PM
I already mention this on another thread.
Isiah and coaching stuff were informed at the start of the forth.
Steph was pulled of the game 50 sec after 4th started and was back at 8:40 mark
It was no reason for this and this was when Suns went off and we stuck with 1 of 9.
I am not sure if Isaih get a wish from Marbs clan or made decision himself but I believe this was the time when he was informed.
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12/4/2007  2:49 PM
Boy did Vecsey open up a can on this one. He attacked I SAY UGH worst than Bill Simmons because he dug deep with this info. Vecsey is gonna have a problem on the streets he better watch out.
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12/4/2007  2:56 PM
Everytime a story comes out we know that it will take time before the "real story" comes out. So why do we still believe everything we read. Why not wait?
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12/4/2007  4:45 PM
out of all the teams in sports, basketball, baseball, hockey, football, soccer, How in the Hell did NY end up with such jackass owners? HOW!!!?? why me? really why? I am a good fan, will root for his team down to the end.... I mean all of us deserve better.. This ownership is just rotten to the got damn core!
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12/4/2007  4:49 PM
Posted by tkf:

out of all the teams in sports, basketball, baseball, hockey, football, soccer, How in the Hell did NY end up with such jackass owners? HOW!!!?? why me? really why? I am a good fan, will root for his team down to the end.... I mean all of us deserve better.. This ownership is just rotten to the got damn core!

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12/4/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by tkf:

out of all the teams in sports, basketball, baseball, hockey, football, soccer, How in the Hell did NY end up with such jackass owners? HOW!!!?? why me? really why? I am a good fan, will root for his team down to the end.... I mean all of us deserve better.. This ownership is just rotten to the got damn core!

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Come’ on playa.
People are good or bad regardless of pocket size.
We just like to see the rich bad... because we cannot be as rich...
Just jealousy man...






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12/4/2007  5:26 PM
I wish you would stop following all my post.

I was talking about James Dolan
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12/4/2007  8:15 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah, Vecsey went off but if a Marbury family member did indeed instruct MSG to let Marbury play out the game then all of what he said is off base. I agree with him, and I'd hate to be that family member who potentially (we still dont know really) denied Marbury a chance to be with his father before he died or why he was dying, but if that's how it went down then this entire article reads like a number of us fans (like myself) on Monday basically releasing frustration from this team onto this particular event not really knowing what was right and wrong.

I still say it was grossly mishandled because I can not conceive such logic but if what has since been reported did indeed happen then there's no merit to his rant (other than the Knicks stink).


I still wonder, if a family member made the decision, why did Marbury throw a fit? Why did a family member (supposedly) call into a radio talk show and lambaste the Knicks and say Marbury was done with them?

There's still some pieces that don't fit. I'd assume once Marbury gathers himself we'll get the truth - or for all we know - a little damage control to keep matters private.

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It is not unusual for a family member who is sick will not notify other members of the family.
I can remember back in my youth I was in my room working on one of my first music scores doing a big recording session in New York. The medics was bringing my mother down the step to take her to the hospital and I dropped what I was doing and went to my mother and my father said to me no son your mother want's you finish your work. She don't want you to worry about her. She is very proud of you. So go back in the room and make her proud.
Not long after that I lost my mother and not long after that I got my first hit record.
I can understand why the family member did what they did and if Marbs and his family don't have a problem with it, we should not have a problem with it. MSG did not drop the ball but I know a lot of you want to blame MSG. Come on this is Vescey talking, do you really expect anything different for him?

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[Edited by - Papabear on 12-04-2007 8:19 PM]

[Edited by - Papabear on 12-04-2007 8:21 PM]
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12/4/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah, Vecsey went off but if a Marbury family member did indeed instruct MSG to let Marbury play out the game then all of what he said is off base. I agree with him, and I'd hate to be that family member who potentially (we still dont know really) denied Marbury a chance to be with his father before he died or why he was dying, but if that's how it went down then this entire article reads like a number of us fans (like myself) on Monday basically releasing frustration from this team onto this particular event not really knowing what was right and wrong.

I still say it was grossly mishandled because I can not conceive such logic but if what has since been reported did indeed happen then there's no merit to his rant (other than the Knicks stink).


I still wonder, if a family member made the decision, why did Marbury throw a fit? Why did a family member (supposedly) call into a radio talk show and lambaste the Knicks and say Marbury was done with them?

There's still some pieces that don't fit. I'd assume once Marbury gathers himself we'll get the truth - or for all we know - a little damage control to keep matters private.

Papabear Says

It is not unusual for a family member who is sick will not notify other members of the family.
I can remember back in my youth I was in my room working on one of my first music scores doing a big recording session in New York. The medics was bringing my mother down the step to take her to the hospital and I dropped what I was doing and went to my mother and my father said to me no son your mother want's you finish your work. She don't want you to worry about her. She is very proud of you. So go back in the room and make her proud.
Not long after that I lost my mother and not long after that I got my first hit record.
I can understand why the family member did what they did and if Marbs and his family don't have a problem with it, we should not have a problem with it. MSG did not drop the ball but I know a lot of you want to blame MSG. Come on this is Vescey talking, do you really expect anything different for him?

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[Edited by - Papabear on 12-04-2007 8:19 PM]

[Edited by - Papabear on 12-04-2007 8:21 PM]

You farther talked with you. And you were one who made the decision.
Shouldn't Steph get the same chance?
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12/5/2007  6:51 AM
We really don't know who decided not to tell Steph. Someone clearly made a bad decision and we'll probably know who it was in a day or two.
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12/5/2007  8:28 AM
Just to reiterate for the thousandth time. It's pretty sad how extracurricular like this one are at the forefront of New York Knicks basketball and NOT basketball. Things like this just don't happen in well-run organizations or even half-decently run organizations.
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12/5/2007  8:36 AM
In my experience, most parents would have wanted Marbury to finish the game and not be distracted. If his father could have talked to him, he probably would have told Marbury that he should stay at the game and finish the game and not worry. Marbury's family told the Knicks to not tell marbury because they knew that is what his father would have wanted and they did not believe the pains were that serious since he had false alarms before. In my mind, it is not an issue and if it were anyone but Dolan and IT at the top, we would not even be talking about it.
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12/5/2007  10:36 AM
This is one of the worst hatchet-job purely speculative articles I have ever read.
When Jamaal needed time off to visit his cancer-stricken mother in Maryland during the '02-'03 season, Thomas offered none of his infamous love or even a little sympathy. In fact, had team president Donnie Walsh not given permission, I'm not so sure Jamaal would've been excused.

He's not so sure? How does he know either way? BS.
When Jamaal's mother died March 24, 2003, the Pacers chartered a plane on an ensuing practice day to take the team to the Brooklyn wake. Only four teammates were decent enough human beings to make the trip: Jeff Foster, Jonathan Bender, Al Harrington and one other whose name escapes me.

Team captain Reggie Miller, who comes from a solid family and should know better and rags players on TNT for not doing the right thing on and off the court, stayed home.

So did Thomas; you remember him, that great leader of men often heard spouting how youngbloods need strong guidance and a positive example. How can a coach ask players to dig in on defense as a team and not insist they comfort a teammate as a unit?

Is it customary for an entire team to go to a teammates' parent's funeral? Didn't Matt Barnes mother just die? Did the entire Warrior's team go to the funeral? Didn't Jameer Nelson's father just die? Did the entire Magic squad go to the funeral?

I don't know if those entire teams did or did not all go. If they didn't I guess Isiah Thomas got to them too! But I'll bet an entire team going to a player's family member's funeral is the exception and not the rule.
Worse yet, Thomas forbid his assistant coaches to board the charter.

Source?

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