Zach Randolf does not need to be defended.

Aside from getting rid of a problem player in Frances and dropping the oft injured and exceptionally soft Frey, we got an all star player who puts up 18-12 almost nightly. He is capable of making the big shot with the game on the line and therefore eases the defensive pressure on other options with the game on the line.

You only need to see how poorly this team competed when Randolf was out after the death of his grandmother to realize what a tremendous asset he is to this team.

I am tired of hearing how the Knicks should just stop adding salary and get below the cap to eventually compete...
That is a naive strategy; this team has the HIGHEST payroll in the NBA... do you really believe there is actually a realistic strategy whereby you can shed all your salaries, play a young core who will then command larger salaries, and then still have enough money below the cap to snag a Lebron or Wade... and do you really believe that the Heat and Cavs will just let their talent walk???

The truth is that the Knicks can never intentionally tank a season in order to draft a franchise player and we are so historically above the cap that they can't compete with other teams like the Suns in a free agent of strategy.
Additionally, because the Knicks never intentionally tank a season for franchise level draft picks, the Knicks never have the young pieces to make a competitive offer in a sign and trade deal (because teams hardly let franchise talent just walk to another team in this league).

Finally, there is a myth that free agent players want to play in New York('')... this has historically never been the case.
Prized free agent players want to play in warm climate cities and will force sign and trade opportunities to the Heat, Magic, Suns, Lakers before even considering forcing a team's hand to get him to New York; a city with the toughest and most intrusive sports media in North America.

Therefore the only strategy that could prove successful that does not involving tanking seasons... is turning our liability into an asset... that means that we trade our bad expiring contracts to get flawed talent!!! YES I SAID FLAWED TALENT!

In doing this we hope that players mature and become less flawed and then we keep adding and mixing and adding and mixing... until we discover that we have a hell of a lot of talent that does not work well together...
BUT ALL IS NOT LOST...
we will keep adding and upgrading until our young core matures and sets the tone and character for this team!
AND when this happens... we will find that this young core now has 2 studs to play with.

This is Zekes strategy... (and yes he has made some historically atrocious signings...)
But he has collected some formidable young talent here that will only get better in the future...

Randolf, Curry, Crawford are all 25 years old or younger and are on track to become consistent all-star talent within the next year or so.

and Lee, Q, Balkman are potentially elite role players.

The Randolf trade upgraded the talent level on this team and made Lee, Curry potentially expendable chips for landing a "less flawed" talent pool.

Now if we can only dump Marbury's expiring contract next year to aquire some talent with guts and character we will see this plan come into bloom.

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 12-02-2007 10:45 AM]

colorfl1, please - stop eating the yellow snow! do you see what it's doing to you? it's acrually making you refer to itchy, scratchy and shooty as a year away from being consistent all-stars??? and balkman, lee et al as elite role players??? good lord son, please drop that snowcone and get inside right away.

There is more crying, gagging and **** on this forum then on the set of "2 girls and a cup"!!!

I see you have taken a page out of the Rush Limbaugh school of ethical rhetoric...
I wrote: "...and Lee, Q, Balkman are "''potentially''" elite role players."

You will notice the word "potential" to be sorely lacking in your critical replies...

Lee and Balkman are 24 AND 23 years of age respectively...

These two project as exceptional role players for any team in the NBA!

Face the facts:
You cannot intentionally tank a season in New york and great free agents want no part of this town.
Because you we never suck enough, you will never draft the assets to make a sign and trade for a young franchise player even if one was available.
Trading awful contracts for flawed talent is the only feasible model to employ to build a playoff contender with the leagues largest salary and limited 5 year plan (since we cannot intentionally tank a season and target a franchise talent in the draft in New york.)

Your comments, though funny, lack a real plan and handle on the reality of rebuilding in New York.

I haven't seen 2 girls and a cup but I like the sound of it!

the problem with the flawed talent approach is that you then have to put all these flawed pieces together on the court and . . . . it just doesn't work. you'd be better off letting guys expire and playing your younger guys to really see if you have anything to develop in them and to set a tone for hustle, team play and following the coach's instructions on the court. flawed talent comes in seeing themselves as talent, not flawed, and they're all getting paid like that too. i'm not sure why anybody would look at the results year in and year out of isiah's flawed talent approach and not conclude that it doesn't work.

Posted by Marv:

I haven't seen 2 girls and a cup but I like the sound of it!

the problem with the flawed talent approach is that you then have to put all these flawed pieces together on the court and . . . . it just doesn't work. you'd be better off letting guys expire and playing your younger guys to really see if you have anything to develop in them and to set a tone for hustle, team play and following the coach's instructions on the court. flawed talent comes in seeing themselves as talent, not flawed, and they're all getting paid like that too. i'm not sure why anybody would look at the results year in and year out of isiah's flawed talent approach and not conclude that it doesn't work.

"two girls one cup

A Video clip circulating the internet that depicts two girls involved in a sex act. Initially looks like a typical piece of girl-on-girl porn until one girl ****s in a cup. Both girls then eat from the cup and procede to puke on each other.
After I watched 'two girls one cup' I wanted to burn my eyes out with a candle
"

This might even be too much for Marv.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 12-02-2007 13:29]

Sorry, this has to be said:

His name is ZacH RandolPH

Some like to spell it with a "k," some people read the Lord of the Rings a few too many times... but it is Zach Randolph.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Sorry, this has to be said:

His name is ZacH RandolPH

Some like to spell it with a "k," some people read the Lord of the Rings a few too many times... but it is Zach Randolph.

HA! Some people just put "Zac" also

What if we traded the chicago three of ny, QRich, Crawford and Curry for Kobe and bynum?

That would give the knicks marbury, kobe, and zach with balkman, nate and Lee filling in the cracks.

Oh, and Fred Jones and well, everyone other than the chicago trio.

We just need to keep Fred Jones. Otherwise, all is lost.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BasketballJones:




"two girls one cup"

This might even be too much for Marv.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 12-02-2007 13:29]

hmmmmm . . . . . let's let ol' marv be the judge of that.

Okay. Once you've seen it, report back here on your impressions.

"Zach Randolph isn't a guy you can win with."
-Dan Majerle