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oohah
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11/30/2007  4:49 PM
Was back in the playoff of the year 1990.

It was a good year for the most part, Tribe Called Quest was the hot group. "I've got the Power" boomed from every passing car. Mad blunts wuz smoked.

The Knicks were playing the hated Celtics in a 5 game playoff series and were not considered to be the favorite. In game 2, the Celtics ran up the score, putting up a record 157 points on Reggie Lewis' last second layup.

The Knicks were blasted in the papers. Stu Jackson was on the hot seat, the Knicks were quitters, losers, and maybe abusers...

I won't tell you how it ended, but let's say that Marv was tres upset, and I will clue you all in: Larry Bird missed a reverse dunk. Maurice Cheeks went 10-10 from the field, and Patrick Ewing banged a 3 from the corner with no time left on the clock.

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Here are some cool Knicks links for you guys: http://www.brainyhistory.com/topics/k/knicks.html

Now it is time to go beat the Bucks.

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11/30/2007  5:04 PM
And just as you described, the circumstances were a lot different- a playoff team on the rise vs. a 4-9 team with one of the league's highest payrolls in the midst of its 7th consecutive losing year.
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11/30/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by VDesai:

And just as you described, the circumstances were a lot different- a playoff team on the rise vs. a 4-9 team with one of the league's highest payrolls in the midst of its 7th consecutive losing year.

Looking back, we know the Knicks were on the rise because Patrick Ewing was growing into one of the biggest stars in the game.

But if you were watching back then, you'll remember the Knicks were considered to be underachievers that season, that was one of the reasons they traded for Maurice Cheeks. The Knicks were getting hammered in the press all season, and especially after Boston set a playoff record with 157 points (I think it still stands.). I think it was actually worse.

Nobody was saying: "The Knicks are a young team on the rise, so don't worrk about letting Boston score 157.".

They were bums, everyone needed to be traded, everything you are hearing this season and today plus more. It was not roses and ice cream. Everybody had pronounced the Knicks dead. They looked dead. Heads were definitely gonna roll.

I'm not certain what your response fully meant in regards to my recollection. I'm just providing some historical perspective, that I think is relevant to yesterday's historic drubbing.

I hope one day in 2025, you post a link to yesterday's game to help provide some other fans with perspective.

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11/30/2007  5:41 PM
the team won 50 games the year before. then pitino quit and jackson showed up fat. they came back to win that series b/c mo cheeks played like an all star and kenny walker hit a big jumper at the end of game 3.
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11/30/2007  5:42 PM
I don't really find the context to be that similar. We've been getting drubbed for 7 years, and this is just an icing on the cake really.
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11/30/2007  5:43 PM
I love it when people compare apples to automobiles.

Who cares that the only thing they have in common is getting their asses kicked by Boston in a single game? Let's pretend that it's a relevant comparison.
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11/30/2007  5:44 PM
Anyone remember that Knicks-Celtics game from like 1985 when we were down something like 35 points and we came back and won? I remember the great comeback, just not the particulars of the game. Maybe it was later on when Pitino was coaching because I'm thinking that perhaps it was our second unit that brought us back in the game. Anyone remember that game?
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11/30/2007  6:25 PM
I'm with Oooh Aah on this one. I remember another similar situation. In 1995 the Knicks beat the Bucks. Anyone else see the parallels
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11/30/2007  6:26 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with Oooh Aah on this one. I remember another similar situation. In 1995 the Knicks beat the Bucks. Anyone else see the parallels

and don't forget the giants lost to green bay in week 2.
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11/30/2007  8:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with Oooh Aah on this one. I remember another similar situation. In 1995 the Knicks beat the Bucks. Anyone else see the parallels

and don't forget the giants lost to green bay in week 2.


don't also forget that green bay was in wisconsin back then and is still in wisconsin today
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11/30/2007  8:58 PM
Actually Boston waxed us


Mar 29th 2005-2006 season lost 98-123

Nov 6th 2004-2005 season lost 73-107


Then again considering the source of this thread not surprising

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11/30/2007  9:28 PM
You know what sucks. I was in Aruba this past week and theres a TON of casinos in Aruba. So what did I do? I bet on the Knicks to cover vs the Celtics, the spread was 12.5, thought I had a good shot since I figured they'd play well after beating the Jazz.

I hate this team more than ever right now.
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11/30/2007  10:29 PM
Wow, you guys are so literal! Does the record have to be exactly the same and all the players have the same names for you to see any similarities?

I mean, I can understand a simpleton like Islesfan who is so unintelligent that he thinks we lost 2 picks in the Nichols trade, or an oaf like "trueblue" who "thinks" (And I use that term loosely.) that regular blowouts are the same as record-setting blowouts, but the rest of you guys?

Come on.

Okay, since it seems like only DJ was actually watching the Knicks back then I'll lay it out for you:

That team was better. Obviously. They had Patrick Ewing and that is really the big difference.

Now that we got that out of the way, there are plenty of similarities.

89/90 Knicks had a heralded NYC point guard that became unpopular and got booed. This Knicks team has a heralded NYC point guard who has become unpopular and gets booed.

That team had an inconsistent shooting guard, wh could change the tone of the game and so does this team. (Gerald Wilkins was better than Crawford).

That team got killed in the press for underachieving, as has this team. (Though that team started fast and ended the season badly on a 4-12 streak rather than beginning the season badly.)

The coach and the GM of that team were on the hot seat. The coach and GM of this team is on the hot seat.

Patrick Ewing was killed in the press that season (unfairly), and Curry, the center of this team is being killed in the press. (For good reason.)

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But the similarities between the 2 teams wasn't the point either. The point is, the last time the Celtics blew out the Knicks in record setting fashion, it seemed like it could be the end of the season, just like last night's loss.

The point is more of a question: How do the Knicks respond to a record setting blowout? Do they lay down and die, or do they come back and tough out a win?

Those Knicks responded to come back and win a tough game, and this team responded to come back and win a tough game.

See?



Geez Louise, dudes just want to argue. Anyway, I thought a 50 point blowout would make most of you happy since it brings you closer to your goal of Isiah getting fired.

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11/30/2007  10:43 PM
Are you saying the 34pt loss isn't up in the Celtics/Knicks record?
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11/30/2007  11:23 PM
Posted by oohah:



But the similarities between the 2 teams wasn't the point either. The point is, the last time the Celtics blew out the Knicks in record setting fashion, it seemed like it could be the end of the season, just like last night's loss.

The point is more of a question: How do the Knicks respond to a record setting blowout? Do they lay down and die, or do they come back and tough out a win?

Those Knicks responded to come back and win a tough game, and this team responded to come back and win a tough game.

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Gross! you actually think that tonight was a tough win? gross... It was only a tough win because the knicks played like running sewage water for roughly 3 quarters. Truthfully the knciks did lay down and die in this game, but when the bucks wouldn't kill them they tried to fight back and succeded because the bucks layed down and died.

I don't really see the point of making this thread anyway. What that knick team did has no implications on what this knick team might do because they are so different. If the point you were trying to make is what do the knicks as a franchise do when they get blown out to the celtics, than what happened then still seems irrelevant to me since however the knicks will perform after a blowout will depend heavilly on the makeup of whatever the knicks roster at the time is. since the rosters will usually be different across various lengths of time whatever trend emerges would be arbitrary and meaningless since there would be no logical reasoning behind the results. the only correlation would be that they are both "knick teams". Unless the point you were trying to make was a supersiticous one

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Gross! you actually think that tonight was a tough win? gross... It was only a tough win because the knicks played like running sewage water for roughly 3 quarters. Truthfully the knciks did lay down and die in this game, but when the bucks wouldn't kill them they tried to fight back and succeded because the bucks layed down and died.

That is one characterization. The other is that the Knicks played worse than Milwaukee early, then outplayed teh Bucks late.

It seems like they get all the credit for losses, then none for a win. Credit works both ways.
I don't really see the point of making this thread anyway. What that knick team did has no implications on what this knick team might do imo because they are so different. the only similarities really are that they were both knick teams, they were blown out by the celtics and the media dumped on them both for underachieving, and that's it. There's not really enough simiilarities to draw a comparison. especially since the teams themselves were so different in terms of personnel and character. I mean you may as well compare it to when the Jazz got blown out BIG TIME in the playoffs by the bulls in that NBA finals game. The jazz went on to lose to that series in 6 games. I wonder what the knicks will do in their next couple of games!

Actally, there were more simlirities than that, I layed them out for you above.

But again, that wasn't the point. Since you did not see the point that I explicitly explained, I'll explain it again:

The teams are not exactly the same. That was never the point. However, the last time they got blown out by the Celtics for an NBA record, they came back and gutted out a tough win. It wasn't a pretty win either.

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By the way, the Knicks have rarely won pretty since the 70's. They have not won pretty for 20 years.

I don't care for moral losses or about stylish wins. An L is an L and a W is a W.

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11/30/2007  11:32 PM
Posted by oohah:
Gross! you actually think that tonight was a tough win? gross... It was only a tough win because the knicks played like running sewage water for roughly 3 quarters. Truthfully the knciks did lay down and die in this game, but when the bucks wouldn't kill them they tried to fight back and succeded because the bucks layed down and died.

That is one characterization. The other is that the Knicks played worse than Milwaukee early, then outplayed teh Bucks late.

It seems like they get all the credit for losses, then none for a win. Credit works both ways.
I don't really see the point of making this thread anyway. What that knick team did has no implications on what this knick team might do imo because they are so different. the only similarities really are that they were both knick teams, they were blown out by the celtics and the media dumped on them both for underachieving, and that's it. There's not really enough simiilarities to draw a comparison. especially since the teams themselves were so different in terms of personnel and character. I mean you may as well compare it to when the Jazz got blown out BIG TIME in the playoffs by the bulls in that NBA finals game. The jazz went on to lose to that series in 6 games. I wonder what the knicks will do in their next couple of games!

Actally, there were more simlirities than that, I layed them out for you above.

But again, that wasn't the point. Since you did not see the point that I explicitly explained, I'll explain it again:

The teams are not exactly the same. That was never the point. However, the last time they got blown out by the Celtics for an NBA record, they came back and gutted out a tough win. It wasn't a pretty win either.

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By the way, the Knicks have rarely won pretty since the 70's. They have not won pretty for 20 years.

I don't care for moral losses or about stylish wins. An L is an L and a W is a W.

oohah


stop responding to my posts so fast.
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11/30/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by oohah:

That is one characterization. The other is that the Knicks played worse than Milwaukee early, then outplayed teh Bucks late.

It seems like they get all the credit for losses, then none for a win. Credit works both ways.

yeah the knicks did outplay the bucks. I won't take that away from them. On a side note, I consider it to be fools gold since, generally speaking, you won't win many games in the nba by only showing up to play for one half. It was enough tonight but it usually won't be. but I'll give them credit for showing up for that one half, I'm not trying to that away from them.

I'm not trying to take away credit, but I look at this game largely how I viewed the bulls win. and that's that they won despite playing uninspired basketball. If the knicks had lost but had played hard for the most part of the game but just couldn't win beacuase the bucks played so incredibly good, I'd totally give them a lot of credit. (more than I'll give them for this game). I don't only look at the outcome when deciding if the knicks played well, I also look at how they actually played during the game.
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