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BRIGGS
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11/30/2007  12:32 PM
I would get Eddy Curry 20+ FGA's. I would start Balkman over Q Rich and Lee over Zach to see if I can bring some much needed balance and chemistry to the lineup. The only downside --it seems lIke D Lee is hurt--he wouldve easily flushed a few of those blocks he had against him and looks a tad slow. But his positives are still needed in the first unit.

See what IT does? He throws al of the so-called energy guys on the second team. You need some balance. Use Zach like a Kevin mcHale and banish Q rich to 10th man for his ATROCIOUS FG%. Give Chandler a chance on the second unit like we did with Balkman last year. We need new blood and strategy. We cant say because we won against Utah that we shouldnt make sensible changes
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11/30/2007  1:09 PM
briggs normally i'm on board with what you've gotta say but eddy curry is just horrible horrible horrible. stop starting this guy, give me a starting 5 of marbury, crawford, balkman, lee, and randolph. curry should NOT start in any circumstances he can't pass, defend, rebound, OR SCORE with efficiency
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11/30/2007  2:20 PM
I think Briggs is actually making a good point. Curry is not a big time defender or shot blocker or rebounder, but he is a scorer. And a pretty good one. So if you are going to play the guy, get him the ball
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11/30/2007  2:21 PM
Plus we gave up 2 lottery picks to get the guy, so it's time to stop babying the guy and see if he can finally become "THE GUY".
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11/30/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Plus we gave up 2 lottery picks to get the guy, so it's time to stop babying the guy and see if he can finally become "THE GUY".

We did this last yr with this Bum. Yes he can score but using him as the go to guy will make everyone else absolutely useless, not to mention Curry will create numerous offensive fouls, 3sec violations, turn the ball over once he's double teamed because he's such a horrible passer out of the post, and kill momentums frequently throughout games. Statistically it's been proven over and over his negative stats outweigh whatever he does positively. He needs to benched until he proves he can improve his defensive play and overall effort in games. Just as much the Bulls may need EY post scoring..... they did make the playoffs with him playing a lesser role on their team than he does here. Basically using like a bench/specialty/role player. Instead we keep trying to use him like he's some superstar and it's biting us in the Azzz. He also needs to be put on serious notice lose some considerable weight or else floor time will continue to decrease.
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11/30/2007  2:56 PM
TrueBlue: Never in a million years would I make this guy a franchise guy. I would never have made that trade. But...........

We're here now. Got to do something. Gotta try something.

I remember a couple years ago LB was pairing up Jamal with the rookies. It was obvious that he was trying to groom him to become a leader. Why not do the same with Curry. Give it a shot. If he fails, at least he can expose himself and we can end the experiment. If he learns something, good for us.

Also, when I said "stop babying the guy", benching was part of that equation.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 30-11-2007 2:57 PM]
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11/30/2007  3:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

TrueBlue: Never in a million years would I make this guy a franchise guy. I would never have made that trade. But...........


We're here now. Got to do something. Gotta try something.

I remember a couple years ago LB was pairing up Jamal with the rookies. It was obvious that he was trying to groom him to become a leader. Why not do the same with Curry. Give it a shot. If he fails, at least he can expose himself and we can end the experiment. If he learns something, good for us.

Also, when I said "stop babying the guy", benching was part of that equation.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 30-11-2007 2:57 PM]


And it starts with benching players not rewarding them because you feel your hands are tied. Anything else is backwards thinking. Making him a go to guy paralells playing Mabrury 78min in 2gms off the bench from suspension after he went AWOL. We have to change our culture and even the way we think as fans and say enough is enough. I'm also tired of hearing I SAY UGH using benching as a threat in the press. We're 4-10, 20% of the season has been played it's time to start flexing the juice card.


Curry should not and does not deserve 20fga's/gm, that's one of the most ridiculous lines of thinking I've read here recently.
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11/30/2007  3:29 PM
I would like someone to rebuke this


Eddy Curry--when he was given a minimum of 17 Field goal attempts last year

# he attempted this many---16 games

1 38:42 10 20 50.0 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 1 5 6 0 1 0 0 4 22
1 41:07 10 18 55.6 0 0 0.0 7 11 63.6 6 6 12 1 3 2 1 4 27
1 43:59 11 22 50.0 0 0 0.0 8 15 53.3 6 6 12 2 3 0 2 4 30
1 40:02 17 24 70.8 0 0 0.0 2 3 66.7 4 5 9 1 6 2 3 4 36
1 35:19 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 4 8 50.0 7 4 11 2 5 2 2 3 22
1 35:50 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 4 2 6 0 3 0 0 5 20
1 39:16 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 5 8 62.5 2 8 10 0 2 1 2 1 27
1 38:59 11 18 61.1 0 0 0.0 4 7 57.1 2 1 3 0 3 0 1 3 26
1 41:43 9 18 50.0 0 0 0.0 9 12 75.0 4 5 9 1 7 1 1 3 27
1 37:02 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 10 13 76.9 5 6 11 1 3 0 0 2 28
1 43:08 8 18 44.4 0 0 0.0 3 6 50.0 5 9 2 3 0 1 4 19
1 37:41 9 20 45.0 0 0 0.0 4 12 33.3 6 6 12 0 2 0 0 2 22
1 49:16 13 19 68.4 0 0 0.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 0 0 4 34
1 50:10 17 20 85.0 1 1 100.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 2 0 1 43
1 43:44 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 8 10 80.0 2 6 8 2 6 1 0 0 30
1 37:48 11 20 55.0 0 0 0.0 6 11 54.6 4 4 8 0 6 1 0 5 28

avg 26.3 points 9.4 rebounds 56.4% shooting record 8-8
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11/30/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

TrueBlue: Never in a million years would I make this guy a franchise guy. I would never have made that trade. But...........

We're here now. Got to do something. Gotta try something.

I remember a couple years ago LB was pairing up Jamal with the rookies. It was obvious that he was trying to groom him to become a leader. Why not do the same with Curry. Give it a shot. If he fails, at least he can expose himself and we can end the experiment. If he learns something, good for us.

Also, when I said "stop babying the guy", benching was part of that equation.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 30-11-2007 2:57 PM]

We can't be doing anything that Larry would do.
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11/30/2007  4:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I would like someone to rebuke this


Eddy Curry--when he was given a minimum of 17 Field goal attempts last year

# he attempted this many---16 games

1 38:42 10 20 50.0 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 1 5 6 0 1 0 0 4 22
1 41:07 10 18 55.6 0 0 0.0 7 11 63.6 6 6 12 1 3 2 1 4 27
1 43:59 11 22 50.0 0 0 0.0 8 15 53.3 6 6 12 2 3 0 2 4 30
1 40:02 17 24 70.8 0 0 0.0 2 3 66.7 4 5 9 1 6 2 3 4 36
1 35:19 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 4 8 50.0 7 4 11 2 5 2 2 3 22
1 35:50 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 4 2 6 0 3 0 0 5 20
1 39:16 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 5 8 62.5 2 8 10 0 2 1 2 1 27
1 38:59 11 18 61.1 0 0 0.0 4 7 57.1 2 1 3 0 3 0 1 3 26
1 41:43 9 18 50.0 0 0 0.0 9 12 75.0 4 5 9 1 7 1 1 3 27
1 37:02 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 10 13 76.9 5 6 11 1 3 0 0 2 28
1 43:08 8 18 44.4 0 0 0.0 3 6 50.0 5 9 2 3 0 1 4 19
1 37:41 9 20 45.0 0 0 0.0 4 12 33.3 6 6 12 0 2 0 0 2 22
1 49:16 13 19 68.4 0 0 0.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 0 0 4 34
1 50:10 17 20 85.0 1 1 100.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 2 0 1 43
1 43:44 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 8 10 80.0 2 6 8 2 6 1 0 0 30
1 37:48 11 20 55.0 0 0 0.0 6 11 54.6 4 4 8 0 6 1 0 5 28

avg 26.3 points 9.4 rebounds 56.4% shooting record 8-8

that's actually a good point. I don't think Zach and Eddy can co-exist for a variety of reasons, but Curry clearly dominates when give the ball more. the problem is nights like last night where he completely shrunk from anything resembling competition. He's dominated Perkins before, but he allows himself to be intimidated by the guy, and too many other guys, way too often to be a realistic go to option. he robs himself of FGAs with silly offensive fouls and bad turnovers.

one positive of having Lee out there with him is that Lee is such a tenacious offensive rebounder (when healthy which I don't think he is) that teams are hesitant to leave him alone and won't double Curry with Lee's man - but the rest of the team is shooting so poorly from the outside that we can't make them pay for doubling Curry or Zach, so it often leads to a forced shot against the double or a turnover. Curry needs to get better at passing. I think he can learn, but the addition of Zach sets back his development. also, the pressence of Marbury sets back his development.

however, I think Balkman should start for QRich immediately - Balkman can be the guy who storms the offensive boards like Lee used to and Zach can be the mid-range shooter QRich is supposed to be. we really need shooters to space the floor though and we have none.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 30-11-2007 4:05 PM]
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11/30/2007  4:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I would like someone to rebuke this


Eddy Curry--when he was given a minimum of 17 Field goal attempts last year

# he attempted this many---16 games

1 38:42 10 20 50.0 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 1 5 6 0 1 0 0 4 22
1 41:07 10 18 55.6 0 0 0.0 7 11 63.6 6 6 12 1 3 2 1 4 27
1 43:59 11 22 50.0 0 0 0.0 8 15 53.3 6 6 12 2 3 0 2 4 30
1 40:02 17 24 70.8 0 0 0.0 2 3 66.7 4 5 9 1 6 2 3 4 36
1 35:19 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 4 8 50.0 7 4 11 2 5 2 2 3 22
1 35:50 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 4 2 6 0 3 0 0 5 20
1 39:16 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 5 8 62.5 2 8 10 0 2 1 2 1 27
1 38:59 11 18 61.1 0 0 0.0 4 7 57.1 2 1 3 0 3 0 1 3 26
1 41:43 9 18 50.0 0 0 0.0 9 12 75.0 4 5 9 1 7 1 1 3 27
1 37:02 9 17 52.9 0 0 0.0 10 13 76.9 5 6 11 1 3 0 0 2 28
1 43:08 8 18 44.4 0 0 0.0 3 6 50.0 5 9 2 3 0 1 4 19
1 37:41 9 20 45.0 0 0 0.0 4 12 33.3 6 6 12 0 2 0 0 2 22
1 49:16 13 19 68.4 0 0 0.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 0 0 4 34
1 50:10 17 20 85.0 1 1 100.0 8 12 66.7 4 9 13 1 4 2 0 1 43
1 43:44 11 17 64.7 0 0 0.0 8 10 80.0 2 6 8 2 6 1 0 0 30
1 37:48 11 20 55.0 0 0 0.0 6 11 54.6 4 4 8 0 6 1 0 5 28

avg 26.3 points 9.4 rebounds 56.4% shooting record 8-8



First of all who were the Knicks playing and when did he put up those numbers and what were the matchups. Was the other team healthy were we healthy?

Second when is 8-8 good considering how well his numbers are? Especially if the 8-8 were against mediocre to crappy teams. Basically with EY playing out of his mind we're .500 sorry that's not good or acceptable.

Third what impact did his good offensive production have on the other players team overall.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-30-2007 3:21 PM]
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11/30/2007  4:37 PM
The bottom line is the Knicks were -16 [33-49] last year yet [8-8] when 23 year old Curry was allowed to take 17 shots or more. Those are cold hard facts. Trading for Randolph STUMPED that growth. How can anyone argue with a 23 year old C who can put up 26-10 56% when given more opportunity and help be constructive w-l doing so? What you do is build on that--that position is set and could get better but we thrwated that growth with that trade and we didnt do enough to help the chemistry and balance. Numbers dont lie. Those are just cold hard undisputable facts.
When Curry did not take 17 shots we were 25-41. We are not as good this year as last year because the chemistry is wrecked.
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11/30/2007  4:41 PM
curry's effort level is directly tied to the amount of shots he gets
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11/30/2007  5:30 PM
if i were the coach of the knicks i would do some face saving by RESIGNING
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11/30/2007  6:38 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

curry's effort level is directly tied to the amount of shots he gets


that's not really true. Two of his better games this year have featured big defensive plays in the fourth quarter (utah and denver wins) and he wasn't the leading scorer in either, and he barely touched the ball vs Utah.
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11/30/2007  6:43 PM
the bottom line is that this team is fundamentally flawed. what other teams have two post options that need 15-20 shots a game? none, because it's impossible to make it work. well, not impossible, but for our guards it's close enough. if either curry or randolph passed it would make sense. neither one does.

the way the magic create space for dwight howard is to shoot 30 3pts a game. we have no outside shooters. we would have been much better served by adding a guy like rashard lewis than zach (not that we could have afforded Shard). I thought QRich was gonna play that role for Curry when he first came here, but the truth is he's a horrible outside shooter. we need shooting.
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11/30/2007  6:57 PM
I wouldn't say that it has anything to do with 2 post options. It's the GUARDS!!! It's always the guards. What it comes down to is that bigs need guards to give them the ball and set them up in prime scoring position. Guards need to tell players what to do and read the situation and determine when the team needs to pick up he pace or slow it down. If we don't fix our guard situation we'll never win. Zach, Curry and Lee aren't the problem. The sad thing is that what they're required to do is SO SIMPLE and yet they just can't execute it consistently.

They must improve or we have no chance to make this thing work. It's clearly evident when you look at our wins how much of an impact the guards have on this team. In the wins they did things right and in the losses...
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11/30/2007  7:05 PM
last week it was the SF's supposedly... now it's the guards that need to improve... when do people finally wake up & realize it's time to get our butts to the STO' & go shopping for some lemons if we wanna make lemonade?

LEMONAAADE... the cool refreshing drink.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

The bottom line is the Knicks were -16 [33-49] last year yet [8-8] when 23 year old Curry was allowed to take 17 shots or more. Those are cold hard facts. Trading for Randolph STUMPED that growth. How can anyone argue with a 23 year old C who can put up 26-10 56% when given more opportunity and help be constructive w-l doing so? What you do is build on that--that position is set and could get better but we thrwated that growth with that trade and we didnt do enough to help the chemistry and balance. Numbers dont lie. Those are just cold hard undisputable facts.
When Curry did not take 17 shots we were 25-41. We are not as good this year as last year because the chemistry is wrecked.

Doesn't matter because those FACTORIAL numbers are henpecked from the wins. You wouldn't want me to look at our wins and find a different constant that points to why someone else should be more involved or what the line-ups should be or who should get DNP'D etc etc. You can look at plenty common factors in wins. Here's what we do know EY playing out of his mind from your example netted an 8-8 record which mind you've yet to show what games reflected such and that's not good and doesn't warrant him touching the ball almost 20X's/gm.

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11/30/2007  7:15 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The bottom line is the Knicks were -16 [33-49] last year yet [8-8] when 23 year old Curry was allowed to take 17 shots or more. Those are cold hard facts. Trading for Randolph STUMPED that growth. How can anyone argue with a 23 year old C who can put up 26-10 56% when given more opportunity and help be constructive w-l doing so? What you do is build on that--that position is set and could get better but we thrwated that growth with that trade and we didnt do enough to help the chemistry and balance. Numbers dont lie. Those are just cold hard undisputable facts.
When Curry did not take 17 shots we were 25-41. We are not as good this year as last year because the chemistry is wrecked.

Doesn't matter because those FACTORIAL numbers are henpecked from the wins. You wouldn't want me to look at our wins and find a different constant that points to why someone else should be more involved or what the line-ups should be or who should get DNP'D etc etc. You can look at plenty common factors in wins. Here's what we do know EY playing out of his mind from your example netted an 8-8 record which mind you've yet to show what games reflected such and that's not good and doesn't warrant him touching the ball almost 20X's/gm.

the problem with Eddy is he usually does touch the ball 20 times a game, but it usually ends up being 14 shots and 6 turnovers.
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