Misterearl and Nixluva will take you to task when talking about rebuilding. They know this team better than anyone. Try to get in good with them and find out what they know.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Misterearl and Nixluva will take you to task when talking about rebuilding. They know this team better than anyone. Try to get in good with them and find out what they know.

How many Jerome Jameses we need? How many Jared Jeffrieses we need?

Heck, how many Marburys or Currys or Crawfords or Randolphs we need?

How long until we get it?

WE NEED A PLAN! This is not about talent anymore. If it were about that we wouldn't be THIS bad. Its about building a vision. Who cares if you have a 25 ppg shooting guard that struggles most of the time and doesn't play defense for a sorry team, when you can have a more controlled guard on a winning team or at least one that has a direction?

Its not gonna work anymore! We keep trading for the losers on the other teams because they have great stats and may win with us. Well, it hasn't worked since we traded Ewing so you would expect people to get it at this point.

Im sorry but people that think that we can win with this core are delusional. We need a change of culture, and believe me, once we have that set we will get rid of probably the whole team. No more "just one trade away from really having a great team". This needs to be re-done.

Make it now. Otherwise, we will be saying the same thing for the next years...

Well according to the both of them I SAY UGH has been under a mandate for 4yrs now and although he fails to meet to unspecified mandate...... he's made us younger, given us more depth, more talent, a brighter future but more importantly losses at a record rate.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Misterearl and Nixluva will take you to task when talking about rebuilding. They know this team better than anyone. Try to get in good with them and find out what they know.

How many Jerome Jameses we need? How many Jared Jeffrieses we need?

Heck, how many Marburys or Currys or Crawfords or Randolphs we need?

How long until we get it?

WE NEED A PLAN! This is not about talent anymore. If it were about that we wouldn't be THIS bad. Its about building a vision. Who cares if you have a 25 ppg shooting guard that struggles most of the time and doesn't play defense for a sorry team, when you can have a more controlled guard on a winning team or at least one that has a direction?

Its not gonna work anymore! We keep trading for the losers on the other teams because they have great stats and may win with us. Well, it hasn't worked since we traded Ewing so you would expect people to get it at this point.

Im sorry but people that think that we can win with this core are delusional. We need a change of culture, and believe me, once we have that set we will get rid of probably the whole team. No more "just one trade away from really having a great team". This needs to be re-done.

Make it now. Otherwise, we will be saying the same thing for the next years...

Well according to the both of them I SAY UGH has been under a mandate for 4yrs now and although he fails to meet to unspecified mandate...... he's made us younger, given us more depth, more talent, a brighter future but more importantly losses at a record rate.

You forget about the drama....
They are not irrelevant, they are comical.
Take this players alone and you see avarage to bad NBA role players. They will be OK.
But thrown together by Isiah thay represent something... formidable...

I just can wait till they pull that formidable ad.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Man, this sucks. This is the worst way you can spend money. Everyone of them should be ashamed to earn so many millions for being such a disgrace.

GIVE ME REBUILDING!

Our chance of rebuilding (Again!) will begin if and when Isiah is gone and the moment bad contract suckbury walks out the door, in his last game. But then again, we have to rely on Dolan getting us a quality GM and a seperate quality President. And then the GM has to get a quality coach. We have a very, very, very, very long way to go here in rebuilding. And then we're not guaranteed success either, if and when that ever happens. All you have to do is look at all of the problems we have had in the last ten years, look at the people who 'were and are' behind these problems and see who's still going to be here. That will answer any future questions. Stern (the New Yorker) has the New York Knicks right where he wants them. Tied up and gagged! Because he isn't going to lift a finger to help us. Go figure.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Change the President and the GM. Make Dolan give him all the power he needs and he may actually be able to work wonders in terms of trades because the talent is there. This just isn't working because we aren't in an NBA Live reality. We are talking about teams that need an identity and need players to fill that, rather than having the best individual players that when put as a team will just suck.

Give me a new direction and I'll wait for it to mature. But no more Laydens and Isiahs. Fans should not buy tickets so Dolan understands the message, because until he does that, he will just keep trying to retool...

There's a lot, lot more to this than just changing the GM-President. Yes' it gets worse!!! You see, the damage that the two GM's caused Dolan, it's going to last for awhile, even if Isiah gets fired by seasons end. Under the scenario you gave above, the Knicks are all invested out 'in loses'. Off the top of my head, between the Allan Houston buyout, The Anucha case, the having to pay Brown's contract off and a few other bad money moves, just off the top of my head, Dolan has lost about 81 million dollars. I'm sure it's a lot more than that. But weigh that next to having the highest salary in the league and you have a scenario that says isiah has spent and failed more money than I know of of any other team in any' sport! Not to mention just business. The fact is, the next guy who comes in, they won't have nearly as much pull as Scott Layden or Isiah Thomas has had. They will be forced to work with what they have now and until all' of these bad contracts end. I mean think about it. Even Dolan knows he's lost a part of his shirt on the bad deals that have come out of all of this. This is why there is no talk of buying out a cancer like suckbury. You just cannot keep going on like this. And what if' Dolan opened his wallet again to the new guy and the new guy does the same things? Dolan could be out even more than what I projected. This is what I mean about fiscal responsibility. No company in the world would go this far to lose this much money on so many mistakes. They'd be completely out of businesss if they went this road. This is why we are stuck now. We have to go with what we have right now. I been bitching and complaining about all of this, but all the bitching and complainging in the world isn't going to change a thing. When we trade, we won't be able to upgrade and if you want to trade for quality, you'll have to follow that with some kind of buyout or partial buyout and Dolan doesn't seem to want to go with anymore buyouts. I don't blame him. So as you can see, it's kind of a no brainer. We're stuck with what we have and if we trade, it won't be anything special. The latest example is Frye for Zach. Not much difference for the team either way. The next best chance we would have for a quality trade is by next year and that's if they partially buyout out a part of suckbury's contract, in his 'last' year, to make it more attractive to someone willing to trade him and a player or two extra to get someone who can instantly fill a need for us. A need that is bonified. Most likely a defensive specialist, who can also score some points or pull down the rebounds as a plus, but defense would be the specialty. Don't ask me who, because we'll only be getting into fortune telling.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-22-2007 10:33 AM]