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djsunyc
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11/21/2007  1:11 PM
2005, took frye with the #8 pick overall - bust
took nate robinson with #21 - what is he going to end up being b/c he still looks like a rookie
dlee at #30 - decent player but doesn't make up for the blunder at #8

2006, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

2007, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

balkman?
mardy?
chandler?

mardy is a d-leaguer
balkman can't play 4 good quarters in one game, let alone stay healthy for 2 games in a row
chandler? tbd.
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11/21/2007  1:15 PM
disagree about nate. Think he can be a 6th or 7th man on a championship team - eventually.

ditto for Lee.

I feel Balkman could someday be a starter. He has to learn to control his demonic dervishes and pick his spots. Mismanagement of this pick is a separate issue.

Mardy is not quite a d-leaguer, but he hasn't show enough yet to be more than a 10-12 man.

I think Isiah's drafting isn't as golden as some people say, but I don't doubt that he can see how collegiate talent translates into the NBA game. I do wonder why he picked frye though. I guess he just messed up on that one.
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11/21/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

2006, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

2007, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

...combined
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11/21/2007  1:19 PM
Frye had talent, but not the heart and he is slow. If he ever pulled his game together, he could be a solid player, but his passiveness on defense will really hurt him. Offensively, he could be a 17-18 pt scorer, but no team is going to play him major minutes when he is so weak on rebounding and defense.
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11/21/2007  1:21 PM
Finally, the truth. Isiah's draft skills are completely overrated.

The best players he's drafted are nothing more than complementary players. Lee is the only legitimate potential starter of the group and he's just a good role player. Isiah drafts for athletic ability, not skill.
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11/21/2007  1:21 PM
The real problem is giving up the picks for Eddy. Nobody hits every pick, but Isiah's success rate relative to draft position in the last 3 yrs is as good as anyone's in the league.

You want superstars past pick 15? Hard to find starters/contributors past that pick and he's at least got 3 and probably 4.

Frye was a bad pick in retrospect, but we saw in his rookie year why Isiah took him at 8. Why he hasn't been able to sustain that level of play is anyone's guess.
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Posted by efw:

disagree about nate. Think he can be a 6th or 7th man on a championship team - eventually.

ditto for Lee.

I feel Balkman could someday be a starter. He has to learn to control his demonic dervishes and pick his spots. Mismanagement of this pick is a separate issue.

Mardy is not quite a d-leaguer, but he hasn't show enough yet to be more than a 10-12 man.

I think Isiah's drafting isn't as golden as some people say, but I don't doubt that he can see how collegiate talent translates into the NBA game. I do wonder why he picked frye though. I guess he just messed up on that one.

I think he might have been playing it safe with that pick- I bet he wished he had gone for bynum.
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11/21/2007  1:28 PM
I don't think Isiah was playing it safe. I truly think Frye wowed everyone in workouts- that was all the reports we were getting at the time. And the way he played up until he got hurt, it was easy to see why.
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11/21/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I don't think Isiah was playing it safe. I truly think Frye wowed everyone in workouts- that was all the reports we were getting at the time. And the way he played up until he got hurt, it was easy to see why.

similar to players putting up #'s in contract years...
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11/21/2007  1:48 PM
DJ you got some major hate going right now. Usually you temper it and joke around, but today it is flowing. Did those cheers taint you that bad last night?
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11/21/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

2005, took frye with the #8 pick overall - bust
took nate robinson with #21 - what is he going to end up being b/c he still looks like a rookie
dlee at #30 - decent player but doesn't make up for the blunder at #8

2006, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

2007, felt eddy was better than anybody in this draft

balkman?
mardy?
chandler?

mardy is a d-leaguer
balkman can't play 4 good quarters in one game, let alone stay healthy for 2 games in a row
chandler? tbd.

The draft is overrated.
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11/21/2007  1:54 PM
I don't think it's hate to be honest he has done a poor job of getting good players in, like balkman and lee.

If it was me I was going Bynum/Granger two positions we needed

Instead of Balkman since i am a nova guy would have gone Kyle Lowry because he doesn't take ****, attacks the rim plays defense and is a guy every team wants.

Two positions we would have had for the next 10 years, but we don't have any real defined players right now.

Collins is better than he is showing right now though, he is in a tough spot
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11/21/2007  2:00 PM
We keep hearing how we've added more talent and we've drafted real well. I'm just curious at what point as a fan am I allowed to expect all this talent we've acquired to start resulting in wins?
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11/21/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

DJ you got some major hate going right now. Usually you temper it and joke around, but today it is flowing. Did those cheers taint you that bad last night?

i was totally apathetic about the team entering the season. didn't really care. but after watching how things have unfolded over the past 2 weeks, it's clear a change needs to be made.
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11/21/2007  2:46 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We keep hearing how we've added more talent and we've drafted real well. I'm just curious at what point as a fan am I allowed to expect all this talent we've acquired to start resulting in wins?

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11/21/2007  2:49 PM
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11/21/2007  2:58 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The real problem is giving up the picks for Eddy. Nobody hits every pick, but Isiah's success rate relative to draft position in the last 3 yrs is as good as anyone's in the league.

You want superstars past pick 15? Hard to find starters/contributors past that pick and he's at least got 3 and probably 4.

Frye was a bad pick in retrospect, but we saw in his rookie year why Isiah took him at 8. Why he hasn't been able to sustain that level of play is anyone's guess.

BUT he traded better draft positions in each draft for players. moving picks for players should factor in for his ability to evaluate the draft and the players he could get at those picks, no?
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11/21/2007  3:32 PM
Truthfully its not that he drafted poorly in terms of picking bust type of players. Its that he didn't put the team together well.

Nate would probably fit greatly with a floor general pg like Andre Miller since his skill and style of play compliment that of Andre Miller. But next to Marbury & Crawford we needed a floor general pg that didn't turn the ball over, played defense, and could organize the offense even if he wasn't the most talented.

Frye & Lee were taken before Curry. I think if you replace Curry with a more defensive minded Foward/Center he would have complimented Frye & Lee way more than Curry. Like we had with Antonio Davis but only if he was in his prime. They both could have played successfull roles. Especially if you add the floor general pg.
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11/21/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We keep hearing how we've added more talent and we've drafted real well. I'm just curious at what point as a fan am I allowed to expect all this talent we've acquired to start resulting in wins?

as soon as Zach has had a chance to mesh with his teammates & acclimate himself to playing in NY... that is, until the next new player joins the team, whereupon the grace period gets extended for another couple seasons.
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