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TrueBlue
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11/20/2007  11:13 PM
I can't think of one single player. Didn't Jermaine give I SAY UGH all the credit in the world for his development? Do we see the same here with the players here?
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11/20/2007  11:21 PM
I remember when people use to say "Give Aguirre 6 months with so-and -o and he'll be an all-star."

I agree with you, I can't name a single player who's developed beyond expectations here. Most appear to be regressing, devolving and expiring.
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11/20/2007  11:22 PM
he actually did well in indiana- one hit wonder!
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11/20/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by franco12:

he actually did well in indiana- one hit wonder!

Can you imagin how Indiana will play if Isiah will never work for them?
They must have win the chip...
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11/21/2007  12:01 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I can't think of one single player. Didn't Jermaine give I SAY UGH all the credit in the world for his development? Do we see the same here with the players here?


I think the problem lies with the team as a whole, they suck together.
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Posted by BlueSeats:

I remember when people use to say "Give Aguirre 6 months with so-and -o and he'll be an all-star."

I agree with you, I can't name a single player who's developed beyond expectations here. Most appear to be regressing, devolving and expiring.


I might be able to tolerate the losing if our players looked improved and showed 100% effort every night but coming up short because they lost to a better team or one who showed just a tad more then we did. I'm starting to wonder if we have any tradeable assets with high return besides Lee? Even his value is probably appreciably lower than last yr. Nobody looks like they've added any noticeable arsenal to their game, how is that even possible considering the past couple of seasons they've come off of?
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11/21/2007  2:09 PM
it's tough to say who's a better player today than they were when they first joined the team.

no player development.
no chemsitry.
no cohesion.
no team.
and no wins.

all of that equals no support.
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11/21/2007  2:14 PM
High turnover players have remained high turnover players. Poor defenders have remained poor defenders. Lack of effort guys have given shoddy effort. We knew what we were getting and so far we have gotten it.
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11/22/2007  4:38 PM
Almost every player on our team stats have gone down or stayed the same from an 11 game sample.
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11/22/2007  4:47 PM
Lee's post game looks a little better this year, no?

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Posted by BlueSeats:

I remember when people use to say "Give Aguirre 6 months with so-and -o and he'll be an all-star."

I agree with you, I can't name a single player who's developed beyond expectations here. Most appear to be regressing, devolving and expiring.

When you play under the microscope of New York media, the pressures on and we the fans get all the news, which makes us better or worse. He didn't have that in Indiana. Mix it with a headcase in suckbury, put Larry Brown together with headcase, condem yourself in a sexual harrasment case and have your boss pick up the multi million dollar tab, right after he signed you to a multi year, huge contract extension and you have a recipe for disaster that works very much like a 'Catch-22'!

I ask-ya, who the hell can develop under those circumstances?
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11/22/2007  7:15 PM
Nate is better. Lee's post game is slightly better. Jeffries looks better but not by much. Crawford looked better the 1st 3 games.

You have to remember that what we are seeing now is a defeated and unsure Knicks team. If they had the confidence they had at the beginning of the year, we would probably be 5-5 as opposed to the record we have now. This team has lost all its confidence and that is one of the reasons we fall apart in the 4th quarter.
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11/22/2007  8:46 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Nate is better. Lee's post game is slightly better. Jeffries looks better but not by much. Crawford looked better the 1st 3 games.

You have to remember that what we are seeing now is a defeated and unsure Knicks team. If they had the confidence they had at the beginning of the year, we would probably be 5-5 as opposed to the record we have now. This team has lost all its confidence and that is one of the reasons we fall apart in the 4th quarter.

I'm not really talking about team play, I understand the team is in a depression, plummet, etc.

But from individual players I want to see them add something to their repetiore. I accept that Nate looks more steady at the point, and I'll give you that Lee improved his free throw shooting - but if that's all the team has to say for itself in almost 4 seasons that's very faint praise. And those guys came as rookies; you expect players to evolve somewhat wherever they are from their rookie to third year in the league.

Frankly, aside from FT shooting I don't think Lee looks anything different than his rookie year. Jamal and Eddy are exactly what they were in Chicago. Marbury has only lost athleticism while gaining no savvy or leadership. He plays defense on a quarter by quarter basis. Q took it upon himself to change his game when he came here. Whatever he has now he had the day he arrived, only athletically he looks worse. James needs to commentary. Marty and Balkman look the same. chandler and Morris are unknown quantities. Jeffries looks better than last year but still has a ways to go to get back to where he was on the Wizards.

I just don't see one area the coaching staff can be said to have been effective. If you want to tell me Nate is what they have to hang their hats on I'd guess I'd say I agree, but that lone small improvement in 3+ years work is pretty much an indictment on the coaching staff.
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11/22/2007  9:33 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Nate is better. Lee's post game is slightly better. Jeffries looks better but not by much. Crawford looked better the 1st 3 games.

You have to remember that what we are seeing now is a defeated and unsure Knicks team. If they had the confidence they had at the beginning of the year, we would probably be 5-5 as opposed to the record we have now. This team has lost all its confidence and that is one of the reasons we fall apart in the 4th quarter.

If they didn't lose confidence after the incredible 3 game blockbuster to open the season, they would have lost it shortly afterwards. I think the 5-5 scenario, if this or that happened, is nice if you're looking to feel good about some microscopic positives. It may even be true. But there isn't really any redeeming insight to be gained by looking past the empirical results so far because confidence and low basketball acumen have been and will continue to remain a problem for this team. This is a sheep in sheep's clothing. They have the confidence of a turkey on a conveyor belt, the work ethic of an author of a wikipedia stub, horrendous perimeter shooting, non-existent defense, and a coach that is now being described as a saboteur.

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Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TheGame:

Nate is better. Lee's post game is slightly better. Jeffries looks better but not by much. Crawford looked better the 1st 3 games.

You have to remember that what we are seeing now is a defeated and unsure Knicks team. If they had the confidence they had at the beginning of the year, we would probably be 5-5 as opposed to the record we have now. This team has lost all its confidence and that is one of the reasons we fall apart in the 4th quarter.

If they didn't lose confidence after the incredible 3 game blockbuster to open the season, they would have lost it shortly afterwards. I think the 5-5 scenario, if this or that happened, is nice if you're looking to feel good about some microscopic positives. It may even be true. But there isn't really any redeeming insight to be gained by looking past the empirical results so far because confidence and low basketball acumen have been and will continue to remain a problem for this team. This is a sheep in sheep's clothing. They have the confidence of a turkey on a conveyor belt, the work ethic of an author of a wikipedia stub, horrendous perimeter shooting, non-existent defense, and a coach that is now being described as a saboteur.


So I guess you can say( in so many words) there pretty bad
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11/22/2007  10:20 PM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TheGame:

Nate is better. Lee's post game is slightly better. Jeffries looks better but not by much. Crawford looked better the 1st 3 games.

You have to remember that what we are seeing now is a defeated and unsure Knicks team. If they had the confidence they had at the beginning of the year, we would probably be 5-5 as opposed to the record we have now. This team has lost all its confidence and that is one of the reasons we fall apart in the 4th quarter.

If they didn't lose confidence after the incredible 3 game blockbuster to open the season, they would have lost it shortly afterwards. I think the 5-5 scenario, if this or that happened, is nice if you're looking to feel good about some microscopic positives. It may even be true. But there isn't really any redeeming insight to be gained by looking past the empirical results so far because confidence and low basketball acumen have been and will continue to remain a problem for this team. This is a sheep in sheep's clothing. They have the confidence of a turkey on a conveyor belt, the work ethic of an author of a wikipedia stub, horrendous perimeter shooting, non-existent defense, and a coach that is now being described as a saboteur.


So I guess you can say( in so many words) there pretty bad

Yeah. Essentially.
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11/22/2007  11:07 PM
I beg to differ about Nate. Yes he's playing under more control, he's just matured as a person. I wouldn't attribute it to development. He has good chemistry with David Lee but he also had the same with Frye. I credit him having young kids and being a dad more so to any positive redeeming quality he has on the court. He's still a terrible defender, maybe worse than ever, he doesn't attack the rim with consistent success(hamstring may be the sole reason, I doubt it), and has no midrange game to speak of right now. His 3pt shooting is appreciative but he's always been a respectable threat from there. Lee is the same BB player, very decent player no doubt..... if given the opportunity he can produce. It's been about opportunity with Lee and always has been since he's been here.


The rest of the roster has regressed tremendously.
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