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islesfan
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11/20/2007  9:59 PM
Marbury is still uncoachable and a major headache. This team is still terrible even with all the new players added over the last 2 years. They're still a bunch of quitters who don't play hard on a consistent basis.

Larry Brown had no chance with the team he had and without the support of his GM. Isiah obviously has full support from management and they're still an embarrassment.

This franchise is complete garbage and needs to be blown up and fumigated.
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11/20/2007  10:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Marbury is still uncoachable and a major headache. This team is still terrible even with all the new players added over the last 2 years. They're still a bunch of quitters who don't play hard on a consistent basis.

Larry Brown had no chance with the team he had and without the support of his GM. Isiah obviously has full support from management and they're still an embarrassment.

This franchise is complete garbage and needs to be blown up and fumigated.

Well why would take the word of a guy whose won an NCAA and NBA championship over a guy who bankrupted the CBA it made perfect sense when Dolan chose Isiah over LB.
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11/20/2007  10:01 PM
A lot of new ideas...
Revolutionary ideas...
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11/20/2007  10:10 PM
Not at all. Larry set this team back several years, and the team is still recovering.

It's Larry's fault they lost tonight.
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11/20/2007  10:11 PM
Well it has to be remembered Brown wanted to get rid of Jerome, Jalen Rose, Francis and Marbury. That just wasn't realistic.
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11/20/2007  10:13 PM
No way. Larry did an awful job. The comparison season was last one. If Isiah did a bad job coaching last season, then Brown had like 30% less wins than that. I don't see how anyone can say Brown coached worthy of even high school basketball during his time with the Knicks. Just because Isiah sucks doesn't make Brown good.
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11/20/2007  10:16 PM
I don't agree. There is enough talent on this team that we should be able to win games if the team is coached well. Look at how poorly the players are executing lately. Lee is a better player than we've seen so far this year. Overall many of our players are playing far worse than they have so far in their careers. That's a sign that it's Isiah's coaching.

Don't tell me that if LB or any good coach had Zach, Curry, Lee, Balk, Chan, Mardy, etc. that he couldn't get some wins out of that group. There's more than enough to win with on this roster. I don't know if Isiah is up to the task of putting it all together. I thought he could, but from what's been happening, I'm starting to feel that he's not the one to get it done.

What has happened to even the most basic of BB plays from this team? They don't run any real plays anymore and they're not taking advantage of their players skills. For one thing, if you look at the games recently the guards are no longer attacking and drawing in defenders to open up easy shots for the bigs. They aren't shooting when open and really just playing! It's not like these players can't play ball so I don't wanna hear that it's the players. Zach played better and now all of a sudden he's all out of whack and there's no chemistry with the guards and the bigs.

Isiah is gonna be out of here if he can't get this going. IF he still wants to get things going! I'm starting to wonder about that too now. It's starting to look a lot like what LB did when he was here. Crazy substitutions and no sense of purpose to any of the moves. It's sad and it has to end. It's a sad day for knicks fans. When it comes to Isiah i'll concede that you guys were right about him having to go. I was willing to give him a chance, but he's got to get a handle on this team and they looked mentally beaten and lost. I just don't agree that we have to blow up the entire team. Changes yes, but a complete rebuild at this point is not necessary.
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11/20/2007  10:18 PM
Vindicated. The players have more power than the coach and the GM that is sad as hell. It doesn't matter who it is they can run any gm and coach out of town. The next GM and coach will suffer the same fate as Lenny, Larry and Isiah. You know what is more surprising about Isiah he brought the players in gave them big contracts and they quit on him too. Wow if I'm Isiah I take being fired and get the hell away from this team fast. As long as Marbury is under contract he rules the Knicks. We want Dolan to sell the team we should be rooting for the contract of Coach, GM and team killer Marbury's contract to expire or brought out.

I know what Isiah tried to do with Stephon but clearly misjudged Stephon and his attiutude, He didn't realize how weak willed Marbury is. That move pretty much destroyed any improvement that they planned on making this season.
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11/20/2007  10:39 PM
this team isnt executing poorly, its just poor.

expansion teams are better. Larry did a poor job because all the players quit on him. Funny.. looks like they are a bunch of quitters.
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11/20/2007  10:41 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Not at all. Larry set this team back several years, and the team is still recovering.

It's Larry's fault they lost tonight.
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11/20/2007  10:45 PM
No, Larry is NOT vindicated.

His opinion that the team should be torn down is duly noted and correct.

Yet the way he conducted himself was DISGUSTING and will never, EVER, be vindicated.

He got rightfully fired for his disgusting behavior.

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11/20/2007  10:49 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

No, Larry is NOT vindicated.

His opinion that the team should be torn down is duly noted and correct.

Yet the way he conducted himself was DISGUSTING and will never, EVER, be vindicated.

He got rightfully fired for his disgusting behavior.

I agree I'm not gonna give LB any props no way. What I saw was a man who signed a big contract and did everything possible to get to the money ASAP. Even if it meant getting fired.
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11/20/2007  10:51 PM
Quit on one coach, Shame on him.

Quit on all your coaches, Shame on you.

And shame on the idiot GM who assembled this mess.
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Vmart
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11/20/2007  10:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Quit on one coach, Shame on him.

Quit on all your coaches, Shame on you.

And shame on the idiot GM who assembled this mess.

It really doesn't matter who the quit on who but LB quit on them before they could quit on him.
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11/21/2007  12:23 AM
Larry Brown knew what he was getting into. He knew who Marbury was. He knew who Crawford was. He allowed the trade for Eddie Curry to go down. He allowed the trade for Francis to go down. He basically tanked in a season in which the Bulls had our draft pick. Talk about not having understanding.

Larry Brown took the money and quit because things didn't go his way. SO just like the divas we get on as players. Just like a player who gets his new contract, and stops playing hard.

Phil Jackson saw what we had and said no way.

Larry Brown was truthfull in everything he said. But lets not act like he is some hero.

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11/21/2007  12:40 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Quit on one coach, Shame on him.

Quit on all your coaches, Shame on you.

And shame on the idiot GM who assembled this mess.

It really doesn't matter who the quit on who but LB quit on them before they could quit on him.


Sorry, I'm really not buying this propaganda.
I agree that Larry should not have gone to the media to air out all his dirty laundry,
but I still don't believe he purposely coached badly to get fired.
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11/21/2007  2:51 AM
LB sucked too, just in a different way. He was right because he said to get rid of Jerome, Jalen Rose, Francis and Marbury? Wow, what a revelation. Even IT realized that after they got here. But you cannot just waive everybody in the age of guaranteed contracts. The sad part is LB could have helped us if he would have focused on coaching.

[Edited by - thegame on 11-21-2007 02:51 AM]
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11/21/2007  5:56 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Marbury is still uncoachable and a major headache. This team is still terrible even with all the new players added over the last 2 years. They're still a bunch of quitters who don't play hard on a consistent basis.

Larry Brown had no chance with the team he had and without the support of his GM. Isiah obviously has full support from management and they're still an embarrassment.

This franchise is complete garbage and needs to be blown up and fumigated.

There not really quitters. They just ended up on a team that has a cancer in suckbury. Everything started to head south, when suckbury left the team for a day. It's just like last year and the year before. That is exactly what Brown had to deal with and now you guys can see why suckbury has to go. He has been the biggest problem of all on this team. But we'll have to wait and he'll torture us till the end. He's earned his name.

Moral is definately down. This team 'out rebounded' the Nugs by 18! But had 27 turnovers. That's not a lack of talent! It's a lack of concentration and suckbury is one of the biggest concentration breakers in the league. At average, we are worse than the 23 wins season at this point. It will have to be Isiah who has to go, because he created the monster. Isn't it ironic that suckbury was the leading scorer with 18, in a meaningless game? The Knicks are last in the East and tied for second place for the worse record in the league. It's not a lack of talent, may be a lack of coaching, but definately the problem goes the way suckbury goes. And he's gone into his little hole once again. Selfish and ignorant as hell. Now no one will want this guy on their roster, so forget about trading him. Hat's off to him for making 'his' sneakers affordable. But that doesn't make up for the lack of concentration on a basketball court. And I'm not talking about skill, talent or fundamentals. I've been right about what I been saying all along. Oakley said there's no leader. Well no ****-Sherlock!!! There's not even any moral on this team. And these horrendous turnovers are a reflection of the lack of concentration. The Knicks will win a few more, but only when they finally had enough and come out flying, but as usual, the fire will burn out again as it always does. It's tough being a Knick fan.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/21/2007  6:31 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't agree. There is enough talent on this team that we should be able to win games if the team is coached well. Look at how poorly the players are executing lately. Lee is a better player than we've seen so far this year. Overall many of our players are playing far worse than they have so far in their careers. That's a sign that it's Isiah's coaching.

Don't tell me that if LB or any good coach had Zach, Curry, Lee, Balk, Chan, Mardy, etc. that he couldn't get some wins out of that group. There's more than enough to win with on this roster. I don't know if Isiah is up to the task of putting it all together. I thought he could, but from what's been happening, I'm starting to feel that he's not the one to get it done.

What has happened to even the most basic of BB plays from this team? They don't run any real plays anymore and they're not taking advantage of their players skills. For one thing, if you look at the games recently the guards are no longer attacking and drawing in defenders to open up easy shots for the bigs. They aren't shooting when open and really just playing! It's not like these players can't play ball so I don't wanna hear that it's the players. Zach played better and now all of a sudden he's all out of whack and there's no chemistry with the guards and the bigs.

Isiah is gonna be out of here if he can't get this going. IF he still wants to get things going! I'm starting to wonder about that too now. It's starting to look a lot like what LB did when he was here. Crazy substitutions and no sense of purpose to any of the moves. It's sad and it has to end. It's a sad day for knicks fans. When it comes to Isiah i'll concede that you guys were right about him having to go. I was willing to give him a chance, but he's got to get a handle on this team and they looked mentally beaten and lost. I just don't agree that we have to blow up the entire team. Changes yes, but a complete rebuild at this point is not necessary.

I'm with you. I think the team is fine. Everything is fine. We just need a coach that can settle things down. Build up the players confidence again and get us to a point where all conditions are absolutely perfect. At that point we can get back to the job at hand. Winning games at a .450 rate!!!!!!!!

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11/21/2007  7:45 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Cosmic:

No, Larry is NOT vindicated.

His opinion that the team should be torn down is duly noted and correct.

Yet the way he conducted himself was DISGUSTING and will never, EVER, be vindicated.

He got rightfully fired for his disgusting behavior.

I agree I'm not gonna give LB any props no way. What I saw was a man who signed a big contract and did everything possible to get to the money ASAP. Even if it meant getting fired.

I'm not sure I would go this far in throwing LB under the bus (or truck).

At a minimum, he didn't object to Dolan/Isiah about the deals for Francis/Jalen Rose.

If he felt this team was so bad, why didn't he just pick and start some rookies (Frye/Ariza), even if they weren't good or were delusional. He could have achieved the same win total, but he might have built up their trade values & confidence.
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