colorfl1, I'd like to think what you say is true, but why do you think Zach has been a breath of fresh air? How do you think he helps the Knicks close out games?

The guy is only 25-26... and not close to his prime...
I am shocked someone with his developed talent level is on this sorry squad!

I really believe that knicks fans are going to fall in love with this guy. He is chasing down so many rebounds that everyone else's rebound numbers are significantly down...

He brings it every game and the knicks suck whenever he is not around.

How the hell did we steal this guy???

Posted by Andrew:

colorfl1, I'd like to think what you say is true, but why do you think Zach has been a breath of fresh air? How do you think he helps the Knicks close out games?

he has been here just a short time and he has not developed any real chemistry yet... especially with the death is his family, even when he flies in to play, he is out of sorts and has not practiced...
we all knew he is a solid scorer... he has not yet even demonstrated his last year's stroke...
but it is his rebound numbers that have been consistantly staggering!

When he is in the game in the 4th quarter it opens up a lot of opportunities for the guards and centre...
He makes scoring late a lot easier just by being on the floor and drawing the attention of opposing defenses.

And keep in mind he is not even scratching the surface of what he will bring each night because he has logged on so few games with this squad.


--->better days are ahead... Isiah just risked his job by humiliating an unstable *bury to underlne a new focus on defensive intesity.

Posted by VDesai:

Randolf the Grey?

('');

colorfl1, I think you made some good points. At this time we're not yet seeing the best of Zach yet. The team being a bit out of synch and not yet fully adjusted to Zach and him not being fully adjusted to them is going to limit his full effect. I like what he's brought so far. Yeah he's been taking some bad shots, but I think he'll settle into things as time moves along. He seems to be pressing a bit. Trying to make things happen instead of letting the game come to him. The thing is that he's a high volume shooter. Curry is actually the opposite. I'd like to see him shoot more and Zach be a bit more thoughtful about when he shoots.

The thing is that as you said, Zach is not old and this team is full of young players. I think we can move forward with this team and continue to improve the roster where we need help. It's not a bad group to build with IMO. PG and SG is the next area we need to improve on this roster. If we can do that, this is a very good team going forward. I wouldn't change anything else at this point.

I actually that Randolph has been good. Once he settles down and gets closer to his career FG%, he'll be fine.

it's not like he's a cure-all though.

His career % numbers are usually in the mid-40's. High 40's at most.

He takes ALOT of shots. He takes alot of BAD shots. Zach will literally shoot you out of a game, especially on a team like this where he'll force shots due to less touches.

His defense is bad. It's not horrendous like Curry's, but it's still bad.

The fact that he can't dunk the ball doesn't sit well with me, and I'm a HUGE Larry Bird fan so that's saying something.

I find his passing to be inconsistent as well.


If we got Darrell Arthur or Beasley in the draft I would **** on Zbo so fast his head would spin.

Posted by colorfl1:

Posted by bobs3304:

He doesn't play defense.

And his FG% is atrocious.

So huh?


Zach Randolph is essentially a more tame Antoine Walker.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 19-11-2007 11:26 PM]

Look at his career FG %s.
once he gets in rhythm he is going to be a beast.
As far as his D is concerned... he may be a bit slow, but he has not dogged it on D like many others have.

(you cannot count the games he played during bereavment, where he did not practiceand looked a little out o synch)

Randolf is one of the few long term bright spots for this squad!
I would trade 5 Channing Freys for him... he was a steal.
He is a legitimate Stud.

BTW... in his most recent stint on bereavment leave he was no where near the strip clubs... so we actually are witnessing his growth as a professional.('');

So you think he can go to strip clubs before or after the funeral?
He may be had some problems but not to this extend.

Zach is not the problem (so far) but he is not a solution either.
If this team will run under the bus (or the truck) I am not sure how he will behave.
He looked close to explode in the Nuggets blowout.

We need somebody to bring disconnected peaces we have (including Zach) together.
We need coach who can coach and players who can run plays and control the game.
What Zach has to do with filling these needs?

The fact that Randolph takes about 20shots per game, has only 1.2assist per game, and turns the ball over 3.2 times a game really really bugs me.

He has been a great rebounder, but so far he has been inefficent scorer, horrible with ball control, and a black hole to go along with being a great rebounder. And if this is what we are going to get when it comes to him. Then his rebounding isn't going to make up for his lack of efficency.

Its up to him to get it together and prove that he can be efficent rather than us just hoping one day he will turn it around. After going through Marbury & Crawford & Curry . I don't think I can trust any player to turn it around.