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SupremeCommander
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11/19/2007  11:33 AM
Last night, an ex-girlfriend who I've remained close with called me. Her roommate is very close to another guy who is gay and lives a fast-paced life. The four of us were a close unit back in undergrad, but time has eroded that a bit.

My ex tells me she had bad news about this guy and I immediately knew he was HIV positive. I found out third hand that he's gotten some life altering news and want to be there for him, but also want to respect his privacy.

I'm sorry to ask for advice for something as devastating as this, but my head is a mess, I couldn't sleep last night, and I have no idea what to do.
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11/19/2007  11:39 AM
Just reach out to him. You don't have to say anything about the HIV. Let him bring up the subject if he wants to. If not, just say you thought about him and just wanted to tell him so. Friends are there for friends.
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11/19/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by Panos:

Just reach out to him. You don't have to say anything about the HIV. Let him bring up the subject if he wants to. If not, just say you thought about him and just wanted to tell him so. Friends are there for friends.

You're absolutely right... thanks. I guess I'm scared of being selfish here because talking to him is what's best for me, not necessarily for him. And what i want to do is what's best for him. I don't know... I've never had experience with something like this before.
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11/19/2007  11:49 AM
Sorry to hear about that. Just be his friend. That's all you can do.
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11/19/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Last night, an ex-girlfriend who I've remained close with called me. Her roommate is very close to another guy who is gay and lives a fast-paced life. The four of us were a close unit back in undergrad, but time has eroded that a bit.

My ex tells me she had bad news about this guy and I immediately knew he was HIV positive. I found out third hand that he's gotten some life altering news and want to be there for him, but also want to respect his privacy.

I'm sorry to ask for advice for something as devastating as this, but my head is a mess, I couldn't sleep last night, and I have no idea what to do.

Don't try to hard to say the right thing. Like everyone else said, just be a friend.
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11/19/2007  12:01 PM
I agree with you Isles, but I just wish I could do more... I suppose I'm just over thinking it now. Bip, you're right... I just need to talk to him, not try to be too perfect...

I guess that's my whole problem, knowing that there isn't a whole lot I really can do to make this good, right or whatever.
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11/19/2007  12:06 PM
Also, presumably his other friends and family will also be there to support him, so you don't have to do everything. As the others said, just be a friend to someone who has an illness. If there's something you can do for him, he'll let you know.
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11/19/2007  1:14 PM
Tell him your thinking of him a lot and love him. that you want to be there for him and might not have all the answers, but you want to make a difference.

Just be real, you can't make it go away but support will help!
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11/19/2007  2:46 PM
Nothing you can do about it. If he didn't contract HIV what would your feeling be toward him? Would you feel so bad about not calling? You expressed that you guys were a team back in the day. What really made that change?

Don't feel guilt or anything like that. Catching HIV can happen to anyone. I advise you not to be friends with his HIV. If you choose to rekindle your friendship, do so cuz you want to not cuz you feel sorry for him.

I gotta make some phone calls myself, man. Sometimes life takes you places and then something happens to bring you back to where you started. All you can do is learn from life and why things happen.

Dude call your friend and say what up!
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11/19/2007  2:46 PM
You posted this on RGM.
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11/19/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Nothing you can do about it. If he didn't contract HIV what would your feeling be toward him? Would you feel so bad about not calling? You expressed that you guys were a team back in the day. What really made that change?

Don't feel guilt or anything like that. Catching HIV can happen to anyone. I advise you not to be friends with his HIV. If you choose to rekindle your friendship, do so cuz you want to not cuz you feel sorry for him.

I gotta make some phone calls myself, man. Sometimes life takes you places and then something happens to bring you back to where you started. All you can do is learn from life and why things happen.

Dude call your friend and say what up!

That's good advice. Considering the source I'm very surprised.
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11/19/2007  4:21 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

You posted this on RGM.

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11/19/2007  4:23 PM
Wishing you and your friend all the best.

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11/19/2007  4:23 PM
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Posted by bobs3304:

You posted this on RGM.

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11/19/2007  4:56 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Last night, an ex-girlfriend who I've remained close with called me. Her roommate is very close to another guy who is gay and lives a fast-paced life. The four of us were a close unit back in undergrad, but time has eroded that a bit.

My ex tells me she had bad news about this guy and I immediately knew he was HIV positive. I found out third hand that he's gotten some life altering news and want to be there for him, but also want to respect his privacy.

I'm sorry to ask for advice for something as devastating as this, but my head is a mess, I couldn't sleep last night, and I have no idea what to do.

My advice is not to get involved. First of all, did your ex tell you concretely that he had HIV? Or just that he's received some life-altering news (hint, hint)? If the information was supposed to be confidential, then there has already been a serious breach of trust along the line. Very few HIV patients want this information publicized, even to friends that used to be close. The major role of family and friends is to reduce the stigma associated with the disease and being contacted by former friends because of this "life-altering" news will only undermine that process. The other issue here is that he will have to stop leading his "fast-paced life" because putting other people at risk is unacceptable.

There have been some effective therapies in the market for some time, and a new integrase inhibitor just got FDA approval. If your friend can afford the medications, the outlook is incredibly better these days and there is unquestionably a lot of hope.
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11/19/2007  5:53 PM
My advice is not to get involved. First of all, did your ex tell you concretely that he had HIV? Or just that he's received some life-altering news (hint, hint)? If the information was supposed to be confidential, then there has already been a serious breach of trust along the line

This is the proper advice. Don't do anything until you are made aware officially. My father very recently made a similar mistake by sharing information about a friend's breast cancer/mastectomy without permission.

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11/19/2007  6:18 PM
SC,

I would have this confirm before you jump the gun. However, if it is HIV with modern medicine people have been able to live long if they treat their body right and listen to what the doctor tells them. I know a person that has HIV and 10 years later that person is still alive.
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11/19/2007  8:16 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I don't mean to be politically incorrect or in bad taste or whatever the hell, but I read your post for the 1st time, and it's like.....

ehh forget it. Martin'll ban me again.


Dude, seriously, stay out of this thread. You have nothing to add here.
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11/19/2007  10:27 PM
Supreme, I am sorry to hear about this, and if it means anything, I'll say a prayer for your friend.

However, I gotto say I agree with codeunknown and Oohah and BigC. If your friend wants to talk to you about this, then eventually he will, but it's not always the best to go up to them and mention it, simply b/c it's so private to them. Maybe invite your friend out to lunch and bring your ex along, or it can be just the 2 of you and talk about life, even if it has been awhile. He'll feel better knowing that you are around, as a true friend that he can depend on.
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11/20/2007  12:24 AM
Sounds like you're in a difficult situation SC and it says a lot about you to have to courage to ask. HIV is clearly a disease associated with a great deal of stigma in our culture so being careful about disclosure in this case is certainly worth considering. However, from what I have learned in my MSW program about many stigmatized diseases and behaviors is that normalizing it for someone who has contracted it and getting social support can be of great benefit to the person as well. From what I understand that is the case regarding HIV, and here is a recent study (2006) from a legit, peer reviewed journal which talks specifically about gay men's disclosure of HIV to friends and family, and if they regretted it:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1473166

The study says that 63% did not regret it, and that disclosure to friends is less regrettable than to family, etc. It even suggests that those with HIV who disclose to friends may gain benefits such as social support, which is widely considered to be a protective factor for many behaviors that induce harm.

The thing is you didn't receive this information first hand, but you know about it now, and it sounds like the dilemma of what to do is affecting you. One possible way to approach the situation is to go over the pros and cons of a given decision. If you decide you want to tell your friend that you know and want to support him, it might be worth imagining how it would play out. Like, asking yourself how you think he might feel/react if he found out you were told the way you were (the first time he finds out and over time), how you would bring it up with him and how he would respond to you, as well as how your other friends would feel about you letting him know you are aware of his disease.

Maybe...if possible -- and this could involve the risk of your other friends getting flack for disclosing to you w/o permission if not asked carefully -- but if you feel that there is a way for either your ex-girlfriend or her roommate (you're friends with that person too, no?), or both to find out from your friend with HIV how he would feel if you (or perhaps any of his other friends, to avoid bringing you up) knew about his disease, why, and what he would expect, as well as hope from you that you would have a better idea of what to do.

It also could be that either consciously or sub-consciously, since you were all close before that he might expect the word to be passed on to you. It might be his way of letting you know and wants to see how you will respond because disclosure of HIV is so stigmatized. Here is a ink to part of a practice book that talks about friend disclosure as well:

http://books.google.com/books?id=39TFsnK75HIC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=hiv+disclosure+friends&source=web&ots=UGqY-NH9HN&sig=iGAOsEiUn-s-z0WavFTl_LmoEII

Either way this is not an easy thing to face no matter what. There are support groups for friends and family of individuals with HIV out there as well, if you're interested and I believe are helpful. I wish you the best in whatever decision you make.

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