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BRIGGS
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11/18/2007  1:50 AM
From that God-awful promo [whoever made that up should be CANNED along with the people in the the brass who let it go on day after day] it reminds me of a curb your enthusiasm when he call someone the 4 letter c word. Well I don't really appove of using that word--but in this case--the use is OK.

This is by far the most embarassing period of time during my 30+ years as a Knick fan. This is NOT a team--it's a collection of names and stats.

The drafting has been overrated. I really wonder how many people might be very *patient* with David Lee at 4 and Bynum and prudently fill out the 1-2-3 with a game plan and style of play in mind.

I think things could've been done much differently with all the money we spent in the last 4 years. Giving the leeway to start bringing in guys like Mo Taylor who had an additional 12mm$ on his contract[while sitting on IR] set the tone and it just hasnt stopped. The only solace the Knick fan gets is the Summer League.
You always want to hope that things can turn around--but a pile of sht is a pile of sht.
Maybe Larry Brown was nuts but IMHO--he *clearly* realized the need to do it over and he was right.
I think we need to keep Lee and Curry[and see what we have with Collins Balkman Chandler and Morris]
I think we should pony up to Phoenix any $ that is allowable to get our picks back with no cap room.
Most of the coaches and the new face GM stuck there by his pal IT all have to go. This is a gut job--it's going to cost money--buy maybe a financial lesson is something Jim Dolan needs to have inflicted upon himself. He helped to create the disaster by letting the patients run the asylum.

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blueNorange
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11/18/2007  1:57 AM
actually, i'm enjoying every itty bit of this. i want to see Isiah fail and get fired.

and i'm not that bad becuase i didn't set my expectations real high.

once Isiah is gone the new GM will get rid of Crawful, Curry, and Marbury and the Knicks will be heading into the right direction.

it's sad that i was calling for Isiah's head 2 years ago on another forum and was labeled a hater ... i just knew what was gonna happen.

Larry Brown WAS right, he knew this was gonna happen. And why keep Curry?? he'll never get it. Randolph is the one you keep because he rebounds as well as scoring.

I love Lee and Balkman but if the only way you get rid of the big contracts is if you involved them, then you do the trade for the betterment of the future.

[Edited by - bluenorange on 11-18-2007 01:58 AM]
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11/18/2007  2:02 AM
Keep Curry? LOL, the guy is one of the main reasons we are losing. He is an epic failure of the Isiah regime.
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BRIGGS
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11/18/2007  2:25 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Keep Curry? LOL, the guy is one of the main reasons we are losing. He is an epic failure of the Isiah regime.

I have a difference of opinion on Curry. I know Curry can give me 24-8-60% in the right circumstance and while those are just *stats*--it's what you put around him that make those numbers and his play great. He is only 24--he was *dominant at times last year--he DID not come in in the same physical shape and he needs to do that. I do not think Zach Randolph was the correct piece to put next to him. Right now I believe Zach is under 40% shooting for the year which--to me is unacceptable from a frontcourt player even if he is grabbing rebounds. I would personally keep Curry and look into the market for Zach--there has to be a reasonable one.
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11/18/2007  2:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

Keep Curry? LOL, the guy is one of the main reasons we are losing. He is an epic failure of the Isiah regime.

I have a difference of opinion on Curry. I know Curry can give me 24-8-60% in the right circumstance and while those are just *stats*--it's what you put around him that make those numbers and his play great. He is only 24--he was *dominant at times last year--he DID not come in in the same physical shape and he needs to do that. I do not think Zach Randolph was the correct piece to put next to him. Right now I believe Zach is under 40% shooting for the year which--to me is unacceptable from a frontcourt player even if he is grabbing rebounds. I would personally keep Curry and look into the market for Zach--there has to be a reasonable one.
If there was a DH in basketball, Curry would be a good one. Since there isn't, he sucks on defense and everything else other than scoring and eating

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11/18/2007  2:29 AM
24 and 8? We artificially inflated his stats as much as possible by force-feeding him all last year and playing him far more min than he deserved and he still averaged only 19 and 7. The guy is the same player he's been his whole career and has no business being a starter. The Bulls realized this and then screwed us.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-18-2007 07:28 AM]
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11/18/2007  2:30 AM
nobody on this team is beyond trading.

the most important position of upgrade is at the guard position. we must trade big for small. i wonder if zach or eddy could get us andre miller?

briggs - in this day and age, guards are allowed to get into the lane with the no hand check rule. b/c of this, we need a big back there that can somewhat intimidate. and curry is the furthest thing in the entire free world and universe from that.
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11/18/2007  2:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

Keep Curry? LOL, the guy is one of the main reasons we are losing. He is an epic failure of the Isiah regime.

I have a difference of opinion on Curry. I know Curry can give me 24-8-60% in the right circumstance and while those are just *stats*--it's what you put around him that make those numbers and his play great. He is only 24--he was *dominant at times last year--he DID not come in in the same physical shape and he needs to do that. I do not think Zach Randolph was the correct piece to put next to him. Right now I believe Zach is under 40% shooting for the year which--to me is unacceptable from a frontcourt player even if he is grabbing rebounds. I would personally keep Curry and look into the market for Zach--there has to be a reasonable one.

Cosign.

Only thing I want to know is what do the knicks trade Zach for, after Marbury is Cut.... that's right. Nobody is going to want 40 percent of their team salary tied up in strawberry.
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11/18/2007  10:39 AM
DJ you must have been doing some really good thinking on your free hours in the cab. I agree we needs guards and ones that can shoot, lead, and defend. The draft you can get a really good one, and then you trade for another.
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11/18/2007  10:44 AM
yeah...it was a slow night...

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11/18/2007  11:24 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

From that God-awful promo [whoever made that up should be CANNED along with the people in the the brass who let it go on day after day] it reminds me of a curb your enthusiasm when he call someone the 4 letter c word. Well I don't really appove of using that word--but in this case--the use is OK.

This is by far the most embarassing period of time during my 30+ years as a Knick fan. This is NOT a team--it's a collection of names and stats.

The drafting has been overrated. I really wonder how many people might be very *patient* with David Lee at 4 and Bynum and prudently fill out the 1-2-3 with a game plan and style of play in mind.

I think things could've been done much differently with all the money we spent in the last 4 years. Giving the leeway to start bringing in guys like Mo Taylor who had an additional 12mm$ on his contract[while sitting on IR] set the tone and it just hasnt stopped. The only solace the Knick fan gets is the Summer League.
You always want to hope that things can turn around--but a pile of sht is a pile of sht.
Maybe Larry Brown was nuts but IMHO--he *clearly* realized the need to do it over and he was right.
I think we need to keep Lee and Curry[and see what we have with Collins Balkman Chandler and Morris]
I think we should pony up to Phoenix any $ that is allowable to get our picks back with no cap room.
Most of the coaches and the new face GM stuck there by his pal IT all have to go. This is a gut job--it's going to cost money--buy maybe a financial lesson is something Jim Dolan needs to have inflicted upon himself. He helped to create the disaster by letting the patients run the asylum.

Vomit

He BRIGGS,

Thanks for the new sig.



[Edited by - BasketballJones on 11-18-2007 11:24]
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11/18/2007  11:26 AM
Curry would be more of a dominant force down low if we had guard who who pass him the ball in an optimal position. There are many occasion I see Curry working hard on his positioning only to have the ball either chucked awfully from the outside or he is ignored. We can live with Curry and Z-bo on the front line. Our ills is a by product of the other three spots.
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11/18/2007  1:19 PM
Curry is a bright spot on the team. You guys need to realize he does put up numbers with inferior talent around him. Imagine Curry on a team like the Nets, Suns, Spurs or Mavs this guy would guarantee them a championship. Thats right guarantee a championship. He is playing with a very weak willed and weak talented perimeter players who can't spread the floor or pass a decent pass to him on a regualr basis. Nash make Curry into a 25 points per game player same with Kidd.
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11/18/2007  1:42 PM
When the price was as high as Isiah paid, you expect Curry to transform the Knicks into a team like the Nets, Suns, Spurs or Mavs... or at least to a bottom tier playoff team. He's better than average for sure, but he's also a reminder of a monumental failure.

I'd just assume clean house and tank.
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11/18/2007  1:47 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

When the price was as high as Isiah paid, you expect Curry to transform the Knicks into a team like the Nets, Suns, Spurs or Mavs... or at least to a bottom tier playoff team. He's better than average for sure, but he's also a reminder of a monumental failure.

I'd just assume clean house and tank.


Failure what is failure if you look at that way then Patrick Ewing would be a reminder of the NYK monumental failure that got them the number one overall pick. Please the deal is done and going back and continuously rehashing a deal you can never take back is only going to mess your think about the team and make your judgment biased. Instead I see two draft picks that aren't going to amount to much for the Bulls.
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11/18/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

When the price was as high as Isiah paid, you expect Curry to transform the Knicks into a team like the Nets, Suns, Spurs or Mavs... or at least to a bottom tier playoff team. He's better than average for sure, but he's also a reminder of a monumental failure.

I'd just assume clean house and tank.


Failure what is failure if you look at that way then Patrick Ewing would be a reminder of the NYK monumental failure that got them the number one overall pick. Please the deal is done and going back and continuously rehashing a deal you can never take back is only going to mess your think about the team and make your judgment biased. Instead I see two draft picks that aren't going to amount to much for the Bulls.

Sure, it is a sunk cost. I agree there. However, let's not pretend like there aren't upgrades to Curry available. There certainly are.

As for the draft picks the Bulls selected, who's to say the Knicks would have taken the same player? Tyrus Thomas may have been on the team, so may have been LaMarcus Aldridge. What about Brandon Roy? Or Rudy Gay? Honestly, I'd rather have Roy or Gay than Eddy Curry, regardless of the whole position thing and would definitely rather have LaMarcus.

(edit:) and that's just looking at one aspect of the trade. Maybe its unfair to compare him to the price paid to acquire him, but how else am I suppose to evaluate what his worth should be to the franchise?

[Edited by - supremecommander on 11-18-2007 1:54 PM]
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11/18/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

When the price was as high as Isiah paid, you expect Curry to transform the Knicks into a team like the Nets, Suns, Spurs or Mavs... or at least to a bottom tier playoff team. He's better than average for sure, but he's also a reminder of a monumental failure.

I'd just assume clean house and tank.


Failure what is failure if you look at that way then Patrick Ewing would be a reminder of the NYK monumental failure that got them the number one overall pick. Please the deal is done and going back and continuously rehashing a deal you can never take back is only going to mess your think about the team and make your judgment biased. Instead I see two draft picks that aren't going to amount to much for the Bulls.

Sure, it is a sunk cost. I agree there. However, let's not pretend like there aren't upgrades to Curry available. There certainly are.

As for the draft picks the Bulls selected, who's to say the Knicks would have taken the same player?
That's a convenient error in logic that supporters of the Curry trade intentionally make.
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11/18/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody on this team is beyond trading.

the most important position of upgrade is at the guard position. we must trade big for small. i wonder if zach or eddy could get us andre miller?

briggs - in this day and age, guards are allowed to get into the lane with the no hand check rule. b/c of this, we need a big back there that can somewhat intimidate. and curry is the furthest thing in the entire free world and universe from that.


Yea that's a good point.

But if I'm Philly, I rather take my chances in the lottery and keep Dre. Far more economical. You could have the 8th pick in this draft and still snatch a top PF prospect.


In today's league, probably moreso than any, you need a shotblocker. Back in the day, it was more rebounding and perimeter defense. Shotblocking was the last line of defense.

Today, it's almost the 1st, b/c guards have been neutered by the hand-check stuff.

That's why Curry needs to go.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/18/2007  2:01 PM
I hope we lose alot of games this year.

What's the difference btw. getting the 13th pick, and the 1st?

Nothing. No playoffs is no playoffs.


We still need a franchise player, and it would behoove us to tank to put us in the same position that Boston was in this summer.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/18/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

From that God-awful promo [whoever made that up should be CANNED along with the people in the the brass who let it go on day after day] it reminds me of a curb your enthusiasm when he call someone the 4 letter c word. Well I don't really appove of using that word--but in this case--the use is OK.

This is by far the most embarassing period of time during my 30+ years as a Knick fan. This is NOT a team--it's a collection of names and stats.

The drafting has been overrated. I really wonder how many people might be very *patient* with David Lee at 4 and Bynum and prudently fill out the 1-2-3 with a game plan and style of play in mind.

I think things could've been done much differently with all the money we spent in the last 4 years. Giving the leeway to start bringing in guys like Mo Taylor who had an additional 12mm$ on his contract[while sitting on IR] set the tone and it just hasnt stopped. The only solace the Knick fan gets is the Summer League.
You always want to hope that things can turn around--but a pile of sht is a pile of sht.
Maybe Larry Brown was nuts but IMHO--he *clearly* realized the need to do it over and he was right.
I think we need to keep Lee and Curry[and see what we have with Collins Balkman Chandler and Morris]
I think we should pony up to Phoenix any $ that is allowable to get our picks back with no cap room.
Most of the coaches and the new face GM stuck there by his pal IT all have to go. This is a gut job--it's going to cost money--buy maybe a financial lesson is something Jim Dolan needs to have inflicted upon himself. He helped to create the disaster by letting the patients run the asylum.

Vomit

I still believe Brown would have been the guy to clean this **** up. He just got caught in between suckbury and Isiah's ****.
I'll never trust this' team again.
This really stinks

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