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11/16/2007  1:39 PM
One of them has to go, this is sad. You can't have 2 cream puffs in the paint allowing free buckets to opposing teams. You can't just let that happen. My choice would to keep Randolph because unlike Curry he's not a one trick pony. When Randolph isn't scoring he's moving the ball around, boxing out, and rebounding. When Curry isn't scoring it's like the Knicks are playing 4 against 5. Not to mention Randolph has the passion New York likes, Curry has NO passion.

Hopefully the new GM trades Curry to somebody who's as clueless as Isiah and if nobody is willing to take on Curry's horrific contract then buy him out and either trade Crawford for Dampier or in the off-season sign Ratliff to bring a defensive presence in the paint. Remember when the Knicks had the 36 year old Mutombo?? the Knicks actually made the playoffs because of him. Opposing teams were shooting under 43%.

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11/16/2007  1:41 PM
Shotblocking is overrated. Isiah said so himself.
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11/16/2007  1:44 PM
Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.
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11/16/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

What about the heart thing. Is that a non-issue now?
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11/16/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

What about the heart thing. Is that a non-issue now?


I don't see why it would be- the Knicks had numerous doctors proclaim he's healthy and he's played >2 years now without a blip related to that issue.
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11/16/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

What about the heart thing. Is that a non-issue now?


I don't see why it would be- the Knicks had numerous doctors proclaim he's healthy and he's played >2 years now without a blip related to that issue.

You mean he actually has one?
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11/16/2007  1:55 PM
I should rephrase, his device that pumps blood thing is no longer an issue.
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11/16/2007  1:59 PM
F the blocks that ain't the problem here. Its the damn pathetic play of the perimeter players. Combined Crawford, Marbury, Q and Nate are shooting like 36%. Your point to the least of the NYK problems when you point to Eddy, Zach and Lee.
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11/16/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

I know this thread is about the blocks, but I think we need Andre Miller more than Dalembert. Now if the Sixers are really tired of Dalembert and want to get rid of his salary, we could do a trade of Dalembert and Miller for Marbury, cash, a protected first round pick. The sixers would be able to clear alot of cap room for the summer of 2009 and would have an extra draft pick. If we brought in Dalembert and Miller, we might be able to save this season. With a competent PG running the team, the Knicks should win 38-40 games. Plus, you can put Dalembert with Randolph or Curry and have a defensive presence on the court. Assuming Dalembert could guard pfs, you could trade Lee for Artest and really round out the rotation. We would either have an utter mess or a team that could really compete. Miller turned the Sixers around and they have less talent than this Knicks team. A competent head running this team should be enough to move us in the right direction.
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11/16/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

I know this thread is about the blocks, but I think we need Andre Miller more than Dalembert. Now if the Sixers are really tired of Dalembert and want to get rid of his salary, we could do a trade of Dalembert and Miller for Marbury, cash, a protected first round pick. The sixers would be able to clear alot of cap room for the summer of 2009 and would have an extra draft pick. If we brought in Dalembert and Miller, we might be able to save this season. With a competent PG running the team, the Knicks should win 38-40 games. Plus, you can put Dalembert with Randolph or Curry and have a defensive presence on the court. Assuming Dalembert could guard pfs, you could trade Lee for Artest and really round out the rotation. We would either have an utter mess or a team that could really compete. Miller turned the Sixers around and they have less talent than this Knicks team. A competent head running this team should be enough to move us in the right direction.


Thats funny you got Brown waiting int he wings for Cheeks to get tossed out and you want to reunite the two together.
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11/16/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by VDesai:

Curry's contract isn't that bad relative to the league and what he gives you (even though its one dimensional). I think you can move him.

I said it on another thread- Curry, Craw for Dalembert, Korver, Ollie (expiring) and a pick. Sixers need scoring badly and have been tired of Dalembert's erratic game. We need defense and shooting. The money is almost a wash.

I know this thread is about the blocks, but I think we need Andre Miller more than Dalembert. Now if the Sixers are really tired of Dalembert and want to get rid of his salary, we could do a trade of Dalembert and Miller for Marbury, cash, a protected first round pick. The sixers would be able to clear alot of cap room for the summer of 2009 and would have an extra draft pick. If we brought in Dalembert and Miller, we might be able to save this season. With a competent PG running the team, the Knicks should win 38-40 games. Plus, you can put Dalembert with Randolph or Curry and have a defensive presence on the court. Assuming Dalembert could guard pfs, you could trade Lee for Artest and really round out the rotation. We would either have an utter mess or a team that could really compete. Miller turned the Sixers around and they have less talent than this Knicks team. A competent head running this team should be enough to move us in the right direction.


Thats funny you got Brown waiting int he wings for Cheeks to get tossed out and you want to reunite the two together.

If I am Cheeks, I push for that move to get rid of Brown b/c LB wants no part of Marbury.


[Edited by - thegame on 11-16-2007 2:50 PM]
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11/16/2007  2:51 PM
i am not worried about shot-blocking. you can be an effective defensive player without shotblocking in the post ( see oakley and lambieer). it is the fact that they blow assignments and leave the paint open because they do not rotate. that is what is frustrating. at least randolph rebounds and that helps the defense somewhat. curry is just a liability at the end period. he also has the tools to be a much better shotblocker than he is now.
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11/16/2007  2:55 PM
Miller turned the Sixers around and they have less talent than this Knicks team.

Philly is turned around? They are 2-6 right now. They had a decent little stretch last year but so did we.

having said that I would like to see the Haitian Sensation in our front court, and I've always liked Miller, he has not been on a lot of successful teams as a pro, but I like his demeanor on the court.

Only thing is as bad as our shooting is now, with Delambert and Miller, it actually gets worse.

We would win some games with defense, but holy smoke the games would be ugly! (Like the Clippers game every night!)

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[Edited by - oohah on 16-11-2007 2:58 PM]
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11/16/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by jazz74:

i am not worried about shot-blocking. you can be an effective defensive player without shotblocking in the post ( see oakley and lambieer). it is the fact that they blow assignments and leave the paint open because they do not rotate. that is what is frustrating. at least randolph rebounds and that helps the defense somewhat. curry is just a liability at the end period. he also has the tools to be a much better shotblocker than he is now.


Yeah- you need an intimidator back there. Knicks never make anyone pay for their forays into the lane. Opposing teams basically have free reign back there.

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11/16/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by oohah:
Miller turned the Sixers around and they have less talent than this Knicks team.

Philly is turned around? They are 2-6 right now. They had a decent little stretch last year but so did we.

having said that I would like to see the Haitian Sensation in our front court, and I've always liked Miller, he has not been on a lot of successful teams as a pro, but I like his demeanor on the court.

Only thing is as bad as our shooting is now, with Delambert and Miller, it actually gets worse.

We would win some games with defense, but holy smoke the games would be ugly! (Like the Clippers game every night!)

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 16-11-2007 2:58 PM]


You guys would ship Dalembert back to Haiti the first chance he puts on the orange and blue uniform. People need to stop with the grass is green senario. Philly is equally bad as the Knicks and actually are in a worse situation than the Knicks. Only thing I want from Philly is their back court to go with the NYK front court. You can't tell me you guys wouldn't be excited about a lineup of:

Miller pg
Igudala sg
Chandler sf
Randolph pf
Curry c

Lee sixth man off bench.

Knicks would win games with that.

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11/16/2007  3:11 PM
You guys would ship Dalembert back to Haiti the first chance he puts on the orange and blue uniform.

Please don't lump me in with "you guys". I'm not fickle like that.

The better lineup seems to me:

Miller
Crawford
Chandler
Randolph
Delambert

That is a nice balance of shooting, rebounding, defense, and post presence.

We're not getting Iguodala, that is a dream!

oohah

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11/16/2007  3:15 PM
I think a guy like Korver makes sense because he can spread the floor with Zach. You're dreaming if you think we can get Miller and Dalembert in the same deal. I would welcome Miller with open arms, but I think Philly is much less likely to move him.
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11/16/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think a guy like Korver makes sense because he can spread the floor with Zach. You're dreaming if you think we can get Miller and Dalembert in the same deal. I would welcome Miller with open arms, but I think Philly is much less likely to move him.

By the time Philly put together a team, Miller will be 30+. Trade him for a draft pick and cap room. We send them a protected pick (top-3 protected). Miller, Crawford, Q, Randolph, and Curry would win some games. You make Crawford solely a catch and shoot guy, and let Miller handle the post entry passes. The IQ of the offense goes up tremedously. Bring in Dalembert to wipe away of few mistakes and match him up with Randolph and Balkman and our defense improves significantly.



[Edited by - thegame on 11-16-2007 3:51 PM]
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11/16/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by VDesai:

I think a guy like Korver makes sense because he can spread the floor with Zach. You're dreaming if you think we can get Miller and Dalembert in the same deal. I would welcome Miller with open arms, but I think Philly is much less likely to move him.

By the time Philly put together a team, Miller will be 30+. Trade him for a draft pick and cap room. We send them a protected pick (top-3 protected). Miller, Crawford, Q, Randolph, and Curry would win some games. You make Crawford solely a catch and shoot guy, and let Miller handle the post entry passes. The IQ of the offense goes up tremedously. Bring in Dalembert to wipe away of few mistakes and match him up with Randolph and Balkman and our defense improves significantly.



[Edited by - thegame on 11-16-2007 3:51 PM]

What cap room can we give them? We don't have anyone who's contract runs shorter than Miller's save for Jones' small deal.
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