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So why can't Stern or Charles Dolan intervene?
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Allanfan20
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11/15/2007  1:39 PM
We are making a fool of both of those businesses, not to mention the fans and the Knicks themselves. This is beyond a circus at this point. Marbury should be GONE. Isiah should have been fired the instant he was proven guilty. Yet Dolan just seems to sit there not giving a crap about what's happening at this point. It's sad, but this organization needs help, this city needs a team making a real run for a championship, and we don't have it right now. Not the Knicks, Nets, Yankees, Mets, Islanders, Rangers (Although they are very fun), Giants (Also fun) nor the Jets. And who is on the bottom of that list right now? The Knicks. We need some help from the outside right now, because it's clear to me that the Knicks are not helping themselves right now.
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11/15/2007  1:49 PM
I'm looking for a nice homestand of boos to expidite the process.
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11/15/2007  1:51 PM
Stop dreaming. No one can save us.
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11/15/2007  1:53 PM
They can. Stern needs to sit Charles Dolan down and give him a "suggestion" on who to run bball operations for the Knicks.

Back when the NY Giants had a lot of termoil with their family ownership and lacked direction, Pete Rozelle stepped in and suggested they hire George Young to take over football operations. The rest is history.

Something similar needs to be done here.
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11/15/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by VDesai:

They can. Stern needs to sit Charles Dolan down and give him a "suggestion" on who to run bball operations for the Knicks.

Back when the NY Giants had a lot of termoil with their family ownership and lacked direction, Pete Rozelle stepped in and suggested they hire George Young to take over football operations. The rest is history.

Something similar needs to be done here.


05-22-2006
Dolan dismisses Stern over Garden mess


David Stern can't force James Dolan to sell the Knicks or make him clean up his franchise. As depressing a thought as that is, those are simply not within the scope of the NBA commissioner's job.

But there's no law that says that Stern can't occasionally call Dolan with some helpful suggestions on how to get out of the mess that is the Knicks. And apparently that is exactly what Stern has been doing for the last five months, as much as he tries to downplay his concern about the sorry state of the franchise in his own backyard. Rest assured, Stern and other league officials are fed up with the way the Knicks are being run, not to mention how the media has a field day depicting Dolan and his minions as incompetents.

Not that Stern's advice is being heeded. When he recommended that Dolan look into hiring Suns outgoing CEO Jerry Colangelo to come in and take over the entire Garden operation - a la Bob Gutkowski and later Dave Checketts in the 90's - Dolan reportedly erupted by questioning how anyone could second-guess his ability to run the Knicks.

Dolan's response couldn't have been well-received by Stern, who has tried to exert his influence on the Garden's CEO in the past, with varying degrees of success. During the final months of the Scott Layden regime, when the Knicks were showing zero progress and Layden's stonewalling tactics with the media were the butt of jokes, Stern met with Dolan over lunch. At the meeting, he told Dolan that he needed to change the face of his franchise. Eventually, Dolan did, firing Layden and bringing in Isiah Thomas.

Now, in light of the Knicks and Larry Brown looking to part ways after only 10 months, Stern is back on the case.

But lately, Dolan has been dismissive of recommendations coming from the commissioner or anyone outside of the Garden. Not long after Dolan shot down the idea of turning the operation over to Colangelo - a Stern favorite who founded and built the Suns into an elite franchise - the Garden chief was approached about firing Thomas and replacing him with Kiki Vandeweghe, the former Nuggets GM and ex-Knick. Because of Denver's success during Vandeweghe's five-year tenure, during which he took over a lottery team and built it into a playoff team with a pretty decent future, he is widely regarded as one of the better young executives. But Dolan would have none of it.

Stern plans to keep up the pressure, even if he tries hard to make it appear that he's barely concerned about the doings at the Garden. When he meets the media and is grilled on Dolan's franchise, Stern issues a few standard remarks. He always states that the Knicks are merely one of 30 teams and that all leagues have teams that are run well and some that are run poorly. Further pressed, he'll state that it's not imperative for the league to have a successful franchise in New York.

When he stopped over at the Meadowlands for a Nets-Indiana first-round playoff game several weeks ago, he was bombarded with questions about the Knicks' disgraceful 23-win season and Brown's performance.

Ever the diplomat, Stern reminded everyone that when league took off in the '80s, "We had L.A. and Boston playing all the time in June. Then we had Chicago winning titles. And we had even greater success."

More questions followed, but he wouldn't cave.

"There are 28 teams that wish the New York teams nothing but ill," he said. "I put my Knick fandom behind me when I became commissioner. But if I were to guess, it takes a season or so (for Larry Brown) to let people know how he likes to play and my guess is that they'll be getting some more players that would like to play the same way. And my guess is that the Knicks will be substantially improved next year."

But his public stance and his view expressed behind closed doors are totally opposite, according to those who are familiar with his scathing candor.

"David knows it's really bad to have a premier franchise, playing in the media capital of the world and playing in one of the marquee venues in the world, Madison Square Garden, and it's the laughing-stock of his league," said one such source. "He's trying to get Dolan to make changes, but Dolan thinks Isiah is a genius. He's the only person in the world who thinks that."

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VDesai
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11/15/2007  2:13 PM
That's why he needs to approach Charles Dolan, not James.
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11/15/2007  2:16 PM
Exactly, it seems like if anyone has the power to make some sort of impact, it's Charles Dolan. One question though, that I'm sure most people don't really want to even think of:

Charles Dolan is an old old man now. What happens when he goes?
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11/15/2007  2:16 PM
I'm pretty sure the phone lines are all lit up.
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11/15/2007  2:28 PM
Not that Stern's advice is being heeded. When he recommended that Dolan look into hiring Suns outgoing CEO Jerry Colangelo to come in and take over the entire Garden operation - a la Bob Gutkowski and later Dave Checketts in the 90's - Dolan reportedly erupted by questioning how anyone could second-guess his ability to run the Knicks.

what a f-ing joke.
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11/15/2007  2:36 PM
The Cablefather

James Dolan: They want me to go to the conference with Isiah. Set up the meeting
for two days from now. Sternie, get our informers to find out where the meeting will be held.
Insist it has to be a public place: a Sbarros or Papaya King at the height of the lunch hour. So I'll feel safe. They'll check me when I meet them so I won't be able to carry a weapon; but Rattner, figure out a way to have one planted there for me.
(pause)
Then I'll kill them both.

Everyone in the room is astonished; they all look at Dolan in Silence. David Stern suddenly breaks out in laughter. He points a finger at James, trying to speak.

Stern: You? You, the high-class college kid. You never wanted to get mixed up in the family cable business. Now you wanta gun down a Team President and the Captain just because you got slapped in the face? You're taking it personal, it's just basketball and he's taking it personal.

Now Rattner and Herb Williams are also smiling; only Mark Aguirre keeps his face serious.

James: (angrily, but cold) Sternie, it's all personal, and I learned it from him, the old man,
the Cablefather. He took my starting a rock band personal. I take Marbury trying to kill my father's cable business personal, and you know I'll kill them Sternie.

James radiates danger...Sternie stops laughing.



[Edited by - misterearl on 11-15-2007 2:37 PM]
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11/15/2007  4:30 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Cablefather

James Dolan: They want me to go to the conference with Isiah. Set up the meeting
for two days from now. Sternie, get our informers to find out where the meeting will be held.
Insist it has to be a public place: a Sbarros or Papaya King at the height of the lunch hour. So I'll feel safe. They'll check me when I meet them so I won't be able to carry a weapon; but Rattner, figure out a way to have one planted there for me.
(pause)
Then I'll kill them both.

Everyone in the room is astonished; they all look at Dolan in Silence. David Stern suddenly breaks out in laughter. He points a finger at James, trying to speak.

Stern: You? You, the high-class college kid. You never wanted to get mixed up in the family cable business. Now you wanta gun down a Team President and the Captain just because you got slapped in the face? You're taking it personal, it's just basketball and he's taking it personal.

Now Rattner and Herb Williams are also smiling; only Mark Aguirre keeps his face serious.

James: (angrily, but cold) Sternie, it's all personal, and I learned it from him, the old man,
the Cablefather. He took my starting a rock band personal. I take Marbury trying to kill my father's cable business personal, and you know I'll kill them Sternie.

James radiates danger...Sternie stops laughing.



[Edited by - misterearl on 11-15-2007 2:37 PM]

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So why can't Stern or Charles Dolan intervene?

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