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fishmike
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11/14/2007  1:00 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/14/2007-11-14_yankees_look_to_bring_arod_back__on_thei.html

Cant say I have a problem w/ him coming back in the $25mm range. So long as they stick to their current plan which is youth and pitching.
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11/14/2007  1:01 PM
arod's a douchebag...
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11/14/2007  1:01 PM
oops...meant to say may-rod's a douchebag...
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11/14/2007  1:02 PM
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11/14/2007  1:13 PM
They did that to take the heat off of Marbury.

That A-rod.......what a guy!
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11/14/2007  1:22 PM
I saw this in the papers too. Bizzaro world continues in NYC sports. Can A-Rod really come back after what's happened? I'm one who can forgive, but will most fans?
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11/14/2007  2:07 PM
Oh Jeez! I didn't even want him back. If he thought he had trouble with the Yankees fans before, wait 'til he gets back now. We'll all know the only reason he's back is the he couldn't get the $400 mil he wanted elsewhere.
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11/14/2007  2:13 PM
Bad move by the Yanks. But I like the part where Boras can't be in the room.

Their biggest priority should be getting Johan Santana.
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11/14/2007  2:18 PM
Not going to lie, I was kind of looking forward to life without him so that we wouldn't have that distraction anymore.

Though I still dislike him, I'm not going to complain if we bring back the AL MVP at a lower price.

It would eliminate the possiblity that we trade one of the youngsters (pitching) to fill that hole at 3rd.

I also like the idea of this team not being desperate to deal for Santana when he is a year away from being a free agent.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 2:18 PM]
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11/14/2007  2:19 PM
If they don't trade for Santana, someone else will. Twins won't let Santana walk and it's not like they're going to sign him to a long-term deal.
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11/14/2007  2:23 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

If they don't trade for Santana, someone else will. Twins won't let Santana walk and it's not like they're going to sign him to a long-term deal.

Exactly. Let someone else trade for him then. I love Santana, but we shouldn't trade a package like Wang, Kennedy, and Melky just to bring him here (and the package I just listed might not even get the deal done). If we can get him here for just something like Kennedy and Melky, then I would consider.

He is going to be a FA after the season so we don't have to be desperate (I really think he'll test the market). Even if we couldn't sign him as a FA, we can still win with the young pitching we have.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 2:23 PM]
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11/14/2007  2:24 PM
yes ARod didnt do anything again in the postseason, but we lost because our #1 starter went 0-2 with an ERA of 20 in a 5 game series. It all comes down to pitching. Its not even a debate.

However ARods production directly translates into regular season wins. This year he was mr April, June, July, Aug and Sep which isnt too bad

We should be winning playoff games 3-2 and not losing by 5 and bithcing because ARod went 0-4

In the next two years Farnsworth, Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Mussina and Abreu all come off the books freeing in excess of $75mm a year. All you do is replace those guys with farmsystem guys and cheap veterans that want to be here like the Strawberrys and Sierras of the past.

Then you break the bank for Santana and Haren

You open the new stadium in 2 years with a starting 5 of Johan Santana, Dan Haren, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy. In the pen you have Olendorf, Veras and Mo at the very least.

You have an offense built around ARod, Jeter, Cano, Posada and I would look to add a big bat and use Wang as trade bait.

Being GM with an unlimited payroll and rich farm system is pretty easy
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11/14/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

If they don't trade for Santana, someone else will. Twins won't let Santana walk and it's not like they're going to sign him to a long-term deal.
not true. They may just keep him and take whatever wins he gives them. The A's did that for years with Zito, Molder and Hudson. Price for Santana will go down, not up. Be patient
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11/14/2007  2:30 PM
Exactly.

There is no reason for us to panic right now and trade multiple top-notch prospects to land Johan.

I think this post also does a good job of explaining the situation (very good blog for baseball).

http://pwnageofmorons.blogspot.com/2007/11/trade-rumors.html





[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 2:31 PM]
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11/14/2007  2:36 PM
Mark Feinsand chat:
MF: Alex has reached out, and said he wants to come back
The Yankees have made it clear they won't go for $350 mil
They said he has to make up the $21 mil the Yankees lost in the opt-out
Alex wants to come back to NY

MF: It's hard to believe
I'm not saying they're ending their relationship
They might realize 275 mil is the best offer out there
At this point it's not about him telling Boras to take a hike

MF: If you think about it... they knew the Yankees wanted him back
I think it will be 10 years/275 mil... it's about 21 mil less than what they were prepared to offer before the opt out
He will lose out on money on the front end of the contract

Mike: Do you think this is a case of ARod and Boras finding the market cold, or that ARod wants to restore his image? Is it some of both?

MF: Combo of the two
He took a beating during the World Series
He also took a beating about not meeting the Yankees
They also realize that they overplayed their hand
He can save his face, and say he wants to be in New York
He could go in Anaheim - but we never hear of Guerrero

what a couple of nincompoops... this is exactly what i said would happen after he opted out... no team is willing to shell out those types of dollars to as flaky a guy as this who goes on & on all year about how he loves being a Yankee & then pulls this type of stunt, & who has not been able to get the job done in the postseason since '04.

now if the Yankees end up taking him back at say that 10 yrs 275 million dollar figure that's estimated above, which is the best offer out there right now, they better at least get another $21 mil shaved off that deal to take him back after all this crap... that would bring the deal down to 10 years $254 mil, which prorated becomes less dollars per year than they were prepared to pay him over 8 before he had opted out.

personally i'd rather they stay away from the whole circus that ARod brings with him from here on out, but if the Yankees do change their minds, they better make ARod & Boras eat that money on their end as a show of contrition.
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11/14/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by crzymdups:

If they don't trade for Santana, someone else will. Twins won't let Santana walk and it's not like they're going to sign him to a long-term deal.

Exactly. Let someone else trade for him then. I love Santana, but we shouldn't trade a package like Wang, Kennedy, and Melky just to bring him here (and the package I just listed might not even get the deal done). If we can get him here for just something like Kennedy and Melky, then I would consider.

He is going to be a FA after the season so we don't have to be desperate (I really think he'll test the market). Even if we couldn't sign him as a FA, we can still win with the young pitching we have.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 2:23 PM]

I really think that he'll test the free agent market regardless of whether or not he's traded. He has no reason not to since he's already come this far. That's why I want the Yankees to wait for next offseason before they break the bank for him. At least then it's just money, and not players like Hughes or Cano being traded.

As for A-Rod, I have mixed feelings about this. On the plus side, he's an obvious great player and they're better with him (at least during the reg season), it clears up a huge hole at 3rd, they don't waste any assets filling that hole, it makes Boras look like an idiot, the money is still crazy but it's livable. On the minus side, he's an ass, he isn't a great postseason player, he's an attention hungry primadonna, he and Boras acted like douchebags when they opted out.

If he's willing to be humble about it and take the Yankees offer with no opt outs or special clauses, then fine. He'll have to hear about it but he'll eventually be taken back as long as he earns the respect. If this is just a ploy to get the Yankees back into the picture so they can use them in negotiations with other teams, then slam the door shut on him.
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11/14/2007  2:41 PM
As much as I dislike A-Rod, the guy had an OPS of 1.067 last season with an OBP of .422. Now, I'm not saying he is going to have another season like that, but its been shown that the guy helps us get into the playoffs. Can't say I'm against that.
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11/14/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

yes ARod didnt do anything again in the postseason, but we lost because our #1 starter went 0-2 with an ERA of 20 in a 5 game series. It all comes down to pitching. Its not even a debate.

However ARods production directly translates into regular season wins. This year he was mr April, June, July, Aug and Sep which isnt too bad

We should be winning playoff games 3-2 and not losing by 5 and bithcing because ARod went 0-4

In the next two years Farnsworth, Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Mussina and Abreu all come off the books freeing in excess of $75mm a year. All you do is replace those guys with farmsystem guys and cheap veterans that want to be here like the Strawberrys and Sierras of the past.

Then you break the bank for Santana and Haren

You open the new stadium in 2 years with a starting 5 of Johan Santana, Dan Haren, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy. In the pen you have Olendorf, Veras and Mo at the very least.

You have an offense built around ARod, Jeter, Cano, Posada and I would look to add a big bat and use Wang as trade bait.

Being GM with an unlimited payroll and rich farm system is pretty easy
I wouldn't say he did nothing this post-season. Most players would be complimented for having an OPS in the .800s. He just wasn't the superstar hitter in the post-season we were hoping for.
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11/14/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by crzymdups:

If they don't trade for Santana, someone else will. Twins won't let Santana walk and it's not like they're going to sign him to a long-term deal.

Exactly. Let someone else trade for him then. I love Santana, but we shouldn't trade a package like Wang, Kennedy, and Melky just to bring him here (and the package I just listed might not even get the deal done). If we can get him here for just something like Kennedy and Melky, then I would consider.

He is going to be a FA after the season so we don't have to be desperate (I really think he'll test the market). Even if we couldn't sign him as a FA, we can still win with the young pitching we have.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 2:23 PM]

I really think that he'll test the free agent market regardless of whether or not he's traded. He has no reason not to since he's already come this far. That's why I want the Yankees to wait for next offseason before they break the bank for him. At least then it's just money, and not players like Hughes or Cano being traded.

don't be so sure that Santana will be a FA after next season... the Twins would be idiots to trade him for anything less than top notch prospects or young ML talent, & no team out there will give up their topnotch prospects or young ML talent unless Johan were to sign a longterm extension... the other option is for Johan to forego any extensions, play out the season as a Twin, & then take the risk that the market will bear what he's looking for in free agency in '09, assuming he doesn't injure himself in '08 & lessen his free agent value... the Twins would then get nothing back but draft picks for Johan, & i have a hard time seeing them letting Johan go for that... i think a deal will get done w/some team overwhelming them w/a package of young talent, & Johan will sign a huge longterm extension w/a team that offers him a chance to compete every year... all the signs point to the Yankees IMO, & we have the young talent to get him right now.
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11/14/2007  3:55 PM
Official statement from Alex Rodriguez

11/14/2007 3:27 PM ET

After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees’ ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days.
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