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Is it rebuilding time in New York?
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11/14/2007  10:50 AM
If New York has ever been ready and willing to see the Knicks completely rebuild, it has to be now. When every fan's discussion centers on the turmoil of the franchise like the sexual harassment case or the cray comments by its supposed franchise player or the wild argument between that player and ist GM/coach, you get the feeling that the town would like to talk only basketball again.

The franchise can't fall any further. Or that we seem to think until we wake up with another controversy that makes the headlines even if there was a game the night before. No longer we seem to read articles discussing Knicks basketball, but rather its imminent implosion. While places like Boston, Orlando and New Orleans talk about how good this season might be for them and hope for better results compared to past seasons, New York can only wonder if its starting point guard will follow the team to play another game he is paid to play. And we are only six games into the season, folks.

What's next for the franchise? You always think they have fallen rock bottom but it keeps getting worse. Real fans will try to keep looking at what should be the only interest of a basketball team: winning as many games as possible. But with such a negative cloud surrounding this team, wins will be hard to get, even for a talented roster. What can be done to fix this?

The talk in NY is to always try to revamp the lineup and hope for the best. But when there is a lack of a real objective, things will never work our the best way. The Knicks need people that really know about winning basketball. So much for trying to get the best player in every deal. Around the NBA, the teams that win constantly not necessarily have an all-star at every position plus the bench. They have players that complement each other. They have players that fit to a specific identity and philosophy. They have leaders and they have the role players to follow. In the end, they have a plan and they are excecuting it. The Knicks need a new plan because the current is certainly not working.

What does that means? That excecutives have to go or see their roles reduced. People that can runa franchise with a clear plan should step in. And since the roster will probably not fit that new philosophy, trades have to get done, even if that means giving up the best player in the deal. Having a real plan and getting players that fit into it always beats getting the best players. In the end, you can have the best player and still be beat by the best teams. Radical changes will get radical results, and the Knicks are desperate to see their fortunes improve.

Maybe with the right men running this franchise, things can change a little faster. Maybe it won't be needed to completely rebuild the team. But when you look at the roster, most of the players are way too inconsistent. The most important aspects of the game, those being defense, good shot selection, good ballhandling and patience, are weaknesses of most of the players. New players have to come in. A new coach has to come in. A new GM has to come in. And while we are at it, a new owner has to come in. Well, thats asking for too much, so just limit his power over the team.

To fix the Knicks, big changes have to be done. If those changes mean a real rebuilding project in New York, would the fans be ready for it? While most are just starving for a winning team, most just want to talk only about basketball rather than turmoil.
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11/14/2007  11:20 AM
methinks it was rebuilding time a little while ago..

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/14/2007  11:47 AM
We are an organization that has been denial since Patrick left. Everytime a franchise player leaves it is time to rebuild. Especially one that carried you to the brink of greatness for 15 years. We just chose not to do the logical. 7 years later............

Or is it 8 now. I've lost track

[Edited by - bippity10 on 14-11-2007 11:51 AM]
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11/14/2007  12:54 PM
I think it is time. No more adding players that we think can help us win a chip. Let's blow this mother****er up. I need Curry and Marbury gone ASAP. We get back talent when we dish those 2 and begin to rebuild.
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11/14/2007  1:23 PM
I don't see Dolan going for that. Besides this team isn't locked into anyone longterm. If i'm not mistaken don't all of these contracts pretty much end by 2010-11?

To me the tandem of Zach, Curry and Lee will be fine. None of them by themselves is perfect but as a group I think they can give us plenty. We also have Balk, Chan and Mardy, who I think are good enough to help this team. Nate is a solid bench guard and now we just have to search for more help at PG and SG.

Blowing the team up is not the answer if you don't have a real plan in place. Who do you build your team around if you do such a thing? We need to be just a bit more patient and deliberate. IF at the end of this season this team completely collapses and shows no growth, then fine, but you don't make that decison yet. I would wait just a bit longer to see if this team can right itself. All of this injury and turmoil clouds the issue. When the dust settles I think there's a good team left and I want to see what they can do first.
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11/14/2007  4:29 PM
i said this in another thread..

but would we all agree we should either put a complete moratorium on..or be VERY VERY picky about taking on any more multi year contracts?
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/14/2007  4:33 PM
Even if you dump IT, Dolan and Marbuy. I do not think this team is not too far away. NY needs to develop the young players now and they MUST be a player for one of those 2009 FA's. Dump players like Rose and James if possible. Work on getting younger and shorter contracts for 2009. That is it.

I really do not think they are in bad shape.
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11/14/2007  4:44 PM
^ Dude you're in denial.

We're FAR off.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/14/2007  5:59 PM
How is he far off, were never going to be bad enough to draft a top pick. Your not gutting your team for kobe, or kg,(both in there prime) or anyone else. WE HAVE THE PIECES, just not the balance.

And if anyone doesn't think were are in rebuil mode, the in denial.

By the way how long had it been since jordan was in a bull.
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11/14/2007  6:05 PM
We're FAR FAR off.

Listen, I'm not a fan that's like "WE GOTTA WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP"

I just wanna see a team that excites me, and that plays hard.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/14/2007  6:28 PM
I would look to move every player on the squad and get back picks- keep some of the younger players.

Curry to Dallas, Zach to Phoenix or the Lakers. BuyoutBury. Someone take Jamal.

Buy out JJ1.

You do that, and who is left making big bucks? Malik can be traded or bought out.

Ask for ending contracts or shorter deals and picks.

Amass future picks.
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11/15/2007  1:19 AM
If this situation doesn't change soon, what can we expect from the Knicks? The same 2-5 (or worse) start every year, setting the tone to another sorry season? The same players looking like MJ in one game and then shooting terribly or handling the ball terribly in the next 4 games? Watching the team give a nice defensive performance only to come back with 3 stinkers in a row? Watching no real team basketball? Watching a clueless coach giving the same stupid excuses for the losses? Please, there comes a time when enough is enough. The fact that we not only have to stand this, but also stand the ridiculous turmoil going on is really maddening. If we had gone to rebuilding many years ago, this wouldn't be happening. Not saying that we would be contenders, who knows that. But we would have more options and more hope. Instead, we have Isiah and the crazy Knicks...
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11/15/2007  1:28 AM
so we should get like a young center a young pf young pg sg and sf
wake up we have that already
celtics wont go undefeated and we wont go winless
only 7 games in
not looking good but give it time
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11/15/2007  1:36 AM
^


*speecheless*


What galaxy are you from?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/15/2007  1:49 AM
curry is 25 zbo 26 lee 24 or 25 balkman chandler nate collins morris
those are 8 young key players what do you mean by rebuild we get rid of young guys for different young guys
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11/15/2007  1:52 AM
^ Ironically the # of wins usually matches the age of our players...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 15-11-2007 01:53 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/15/2007  2:01 AM
by the way if lee as not proven he's a bench player to you you should watch a different sport
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11/15/2007  2:46 AM
Posted by Siar617:

so we should get like a young center a young pf young pg sg and sf
wake up we have that already
celtics wont go undefeated and we wont go winless
only 7 games in
not looking good but give it time

the problem is we have no means with witch to make significant improvements to the roster and none of our roster is destined for stardom. that means the knicks won't be much different from what they have been in the past 4 or so years anytime in the near future.
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11/15/2007  3:03 AM
i was being sarcastic we have a solid frontcourt and a decent back court
i think we ned to not play people like rose and jones
chandler should be playing his min
fred sucks he's too small unless he's playing situation ball he should not be playing
this guys getting regular time
i dont understand that
and i know thomas plays zone cuase we have no defenders but i think we should just play man if you cant defend sit down period
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11/15/2007  4:49 AM
REBUILD NOW, HIRE VAN GUNDY!
Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
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