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nixluva
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11/14/2007  12:36 AM
As bad as things have gotten it's too early in the year to basically write it off. I get the sense from too many Knick fans that they don't have the stomach to hang with the team and allow them to stabilize themselves again. I think that we need to see what this team does after we get Zach back and we settle into a rotation that includes more of our better defensive players. In this Suns game I saw more effort and defense than i've see in years. They may not have scored well, but they were trying.

Lee seems to be off his game. I don't know what it is, but he's not his usual self. Mardy and Balkman also got hurt, which I really didn't want to see. Nate, Jones, Jared and Chan looked pretty good. They had a LOT of energy and hustle and made playes defensively. If that had been a lesser team we might have had a chance to win playing with that kind of effort. I want to see what this group looks like 10, 20, 40 games from now. It's a long season and I think the remaining players haven't given up, so i'm not giving up on them. Teams like Chicago, Wash, and GS will keep fighting the rest of the way and they're likely to get back on track. I think this team will do the same thing.

If they remain commited to improving defensively, I think they're going to get better, so why jump ship on this team now? I'm tellin you we need to stick with this team and give them a chance.
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11/14/2007  12:37 AM
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11/14/2007  12:37 AM
Posted by nixluva:

As bad as things have gotten it's too early in the year to basically write it off. I get the sense from too many Knick fans that they don't have the stomach to hang with the team and allow them to stabilize themselves again. I think that we need to see what this team does after we get Zach back and we settle into a rotation that includes more of our better defensive players. In this Suns game I saw more effort and defense than i've see in years. They may not have scored well, but they were trying.

Lee seems to be off his game. I don't know what it is, but he's not his usual self. Mardy and Balkman also got hurt, which I really didn't want to see. Nate, Jones, Jared and Chan looked pretty good. They had a LOT of energy and hustle and made playes defensively. If that had been a lesser team we might have had a chance to win playing with that kind of effort. I want to see what this group looks like 10, 20, 40 games from now. It's a long season and I think the remaining players haven't given up, so i'm not giving up on them. Teams like Chicago, Wash, and GS will keep fighting the rest of the way and they're likely to get back on track. I think this team will do the same thing.

If they remain commited to improving defensively, I think they're going to get better, so why jump ship on this team now? I'm tellin you we need to stick with this team and give them a chance.

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11/14/2007  12:41 AM
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11/14/2007  12:44 AM
You're right Nix. Even through all this, I still see some good in the team. It's a few games with injury problems, loss of players, and one of the most unprofessional, selfish acts I have witnessed from a professional athlete.

I think the Knicks can recover. More Collins and Jones, less of the guards who won't play D.

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11/14/2007  12:47 AM
Posted by nixluva:

As bad as things have gotten it's too early in the year to basically write it off. I get the sense from too many Knick fans that they don't have the stomach to hang with the team and allow them to stabilize themselves again. I think that we need to see what this team does after we get Zach back and we settle into a rotation that includes more of our better defensive players. In this Suns game I saw more effort and defense than i've see in years. They may not have scored well, but they were trying.

Lee seems to be off his game. I don't know what it is, but he's not his usual self. Mardy and Balkman also got hurt, which I really didn't want to see. Nate, Jones, Jared and Chan looked pretty good. They had a LOT of energy and hustle and made playes defensively. If that had been a lesser team we might have had a chance to win playing with that kind of effort. I want to see what this group looks like 10, 20, 40 games from now. It's a long season and I think the remaining players haven't given up, so i'm not giving up on them. Teams like Chicago, Wash, and GS will keep fighting the rest of the way and they're likely to get back on track. I think this team will do the same thing.

If they remain commited to improving defensively, I think they're going to get better, so why jump ship on this team now? I'm tellin you we need to stick with this team and give them a chance.

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11/14/2007  12:49 AM
Posted by oohah:

You're right Nix. Even through all this, I still see some good in the team. It's a few games with injury problems, loss of players, and one of the most unprofessional, selfish acts I have witnessed from a professional athlete.

I think the Knicks can recover. More Collins and Jones, less of the guards who won't play D.

oohah

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[Edited by - arkrud on 11-14-2007 12:49 AM]
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11/14/2007  12:50 AM
Posted by oohah:

You're right Nix. Even through all this, I still see some good in the team. It's a few games with injury problems, loss of players, and one of the most unprofessional, selfish acts I have witnessed from a professional athlete.

I think the Knicks can recover. More Collins and Jones, less of the guards who won't play D.

oohah

there IS some good with this team - Nate, Lee, Balk, Chandler, Jones. Those guys hussle to death and actually produce and don't have killer contracts. BUT this group does not really include Curry, who is really the same guy that LB had but who is in better shape. Randolph could be key to the the upside of the knicks.

But recover? To what? .500 ball?
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11/14/2007  12:57 AM
But recover? To what? .500 ball?

.500 ball would be good. I think too many are looking for this huge leap to 50 wins or something, but that is not the way things usually work. If this team goes .500 for the season, they did good, and you know Isiah will come back too.

I've had just about enough of Marbury, it's not even his attitude, it's that he is just not smart. Huge head no brains...

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11/14/2007  1:04 AM
I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.
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11/14/2007  1:04 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Why jump ship when you're already in the water and the sharks are circling?



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11/14/2007  1:14 AM
You can choose to be optimistic about the team yet again, but be ready for the same results. We have gone through this so many times its ridiculous. We always have the talented players to win but we somehow dont. Why is that? Because we don't play like a team, and that has to do with the players and with the coach. We have talent other teams wouls wish to have, but we always lose because we can't play as a team. Teams play defense. Teams play organized offense and pass the ball around. Teams stay together and try all the time. We don't have that.

We have many selfish players, many one dimensional players and many players that just don't care anymore. And we have a clueless coach that is desperately trying to save his job and in the process he is messing the team. Its just reality.

No matter how much you want to leave the offseason turmoil out of this, the fact is that it sets the tone, and the tone has really been set a long time ago. It just has managed to get worse every time. Thays why no matter how much one as a fan wants to root for them, you know that deep inside things have to change for the franchise to really improve. What will a 39-43 season and a possible playoff berth as the 8th seed will get the Knicks? More Thomas, more Dolan and more mistakes. Get Thomas' tenure over and we can start talking about seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Until that, the future is as empty as Isiah's brain.
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11/14/2007  1:17 AM
technically your right. it's too early in the season to come to a conclusion about how the team's season will end. But I personally don't see this team as being significantly different from what it was last season. Isiah never really solved the problems that have perennially caused this team to lose. things like bad defense, inconsistent play, no leadership, poor offensive execution etc.. Zach is a good talent and will help, but his addition alone won't address the knick's most glaring needs.

But nixluva is right. It's still early, things could still change....

[Edited by - Slimpack on 11-14-2007 01:22 AM]
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11/14/2007  1:20 AM
I don't get it.

Um, isn't it like common knowledge by now that you need the best defense in the league, or a franchise player to get anywhere in the NBA?


Why are supposedly intelligent posters on here clammoring for us to win more games?

Our defense sucks, and our "franchise" player just abandoned us.

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11/14/2007  1:21 AM
Posted by codeunknown:

I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.

i don't get why .500 is good also. This is what has been sold to the fans: Near all-star center, all-star PF, great PG. Great bench. Glue guys. Weak Eastern conference. Talented team.

Now, I KNOW that Isiah lies through his teeth, but come on, we are coming up on 4 years and our core team has been together for 3. .500?
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11/14/2007  1:36 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.

i don't get why .500 is good also. This is what has been sold to the fans: Near all-star center, all-star PF, great PG. Great bench. Glue guys. Weak Eastern conference. Talented team.

Now, I KNOW that Isiah lies through his teeth, but come on, we are coming up on 4 years and our core team has been together for 3. .500?

As far as I can tell, you're absolutely right, Martin. Isiah has chosen a route of re-entrant mediocrity where the arrangement of our roster and finances allows only marginal improvement in the near future. He deserves to be held accountable for that.
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11/14/2007  1:40 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.

i don't get why .500 is good also. This is what has been sold to the fans: Near all-star center, all-star PF, great PG. Great bench. Glue guys. Weak Eastern conference. Talented team.

Now, I KNOW that Isiah lies through his teeth, but come on, we are coming up on 4 years and our core team has been together for 3. .500?
I think .500 or slightly better is not a bad record for this team. Most didn't expect the team to be much better than that with everything going RIGHT! So now it's somehow a disgrace to end up there after all this? I'm not backing off of my 46 win prediction but .500 or a bit more is not a bad thing for this team to end up at. The key for me is HOW they're playing in the games. I expect and want this team to be better than .500 and I think with Zach and Curry playing well and a healthy Mardy, Lee, Balk, Jones, Jared, Nate and Chan, we can do it. Morris may eventually get his opportunity as well. I think Isiah was looking to try to get the team off to a good start and then work the kids in more, but thing's didn't workout that way. The key is getting Zach back and somehow getting things back in order.

I wasn't too happy to see both Balk and Mardy go down tonight, I can tell you that. I just hope that they can both heal up quickly.
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11/14/2007  1:47 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by martin:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.

i don't get why .500 is good also. This is what has been sold to the fans: Near all-star center, all-star PF, great PG. Great bench. Glue guys. Weak Eastern conference. Talented team.

Now, I KNOW that Isiah lies through his teeth, but come on, we are coming up on 4 years and our core team has been together for 3. .500?

Most didn't expect the team to be much better than that with everything going RIGHT!

Hence, its among the reasons why Isiah should get fired. Where's the discrepancy?

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11/14/2007  2:01 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by martin:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think .500 is an unreasonably low bar to set. Our young players don't figure to be top or even second tier talents. Our vets - Zach are garbage. And, so, .500 is likely to be around where we hover the following 2 years. And thats unacceptable. Isiah has to be booted out of here unless he can somehow make a convincing case that the talent that currently exists on our roster is at the very least better than .500.

i don't get why .500 is good also. This is what has been sold to the fans: Near all-star center, all-star PF, great PG. Great bench. Glue guys. Weak Eastern conference. Talented team.

Now, I KNOW that Isiah lies through his teeth, but come on, we are coming up on 4 years and our core team has been together for 3. .500?

Most didn't expect the team to be much better than that with everything going RIGHT!

Hence, its among the reasons why Isiah should get fired. Where's the discrepancy?

It seems to me that everyone wants this team to make up for all the losing seasons all at once. Unless you're going to put together a Celtic styled big 3 that's not going to happen. I want to see a progressive improvement from this team and to me .500 or a bit above that is not a bad season for this team nor evidence that Isiah has done a bad job.

I don't agree with the idea that this team needs to be blown up. There's some very capable talent here. We need to see this same efffort level carried thru the rest of the year and once we get things stabilized then we'll start to see the positive results of that. Last year many predicted the team would fall apart after the suspension and the team came together and played some of their best ball. This is why you don't want to write a team off early in a season. You can't tell me that with Zach back and with more input from our defensive bench players that this team can't win games.
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11/14/2007  2:04 AM
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